User talk:Fenyx4

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Hiya Fenyx,

I noticed you just did an entry for abacus, and wondered if you would like a write up of how the abacus works in the Ultima 4 Character creation system?

I'd love to see that! -- Fenyx4 18:01, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

New banner template[edit]

Hi Fenyx, I was thinking perhaps it would be good to have a new template for a "consensus required" banner. AngusM raised a good point about this recently as well. Speaking for myself, there are a lot of times where I'd like to draw attention to an issue for discussion but it doesn't feel appropriate to use the expert verification banner, since there isn't anything that needs to be verified, per se. Perhaps Expert-verify could even be changed to Consensus, since it allows for a broader range of situations. What do you think? --Terilem 08:48, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of the consensus banner. I'm ambivalent about just changing the expert to it vs. having a different one. The ambivalence might be a good sign that just changing would be best though. :) If no one complains soon I'll go ahead and do that. -- Fenyx4 19:27, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Things Fenyx needs to fix after the move[edit]

Not everything is perfect yet;

  • DPL replaceintitle breaks things
  • I've simply removed the replaceintitle in Template:NPC list for now. That will make stuff in () show up in the lists until I can get it fixed.
  • Sidebar
  • Cleaned this up some
  • Install a Rich Text Editor
  • Installed one
  • Edit counts
  • Found error in revision table
  • Galleries
  • Now displaying but needs some formatting improvement
  • Changing the "Editable Codex" namespace to something not too wordy but more related to the current name (Ultima Codex? Codex of Ultima?)
  • My Home
  • A better search extension (MWSearch(Lucene), Sphynx, or/and OpenSearchXML)
  • Video links
  • Forum
  • Tables
  • This should be fixed but you might have to do a full refresh (ctrl-f5 in firefox) for it to show up immediately. The tables aren't matching the old ones exactly but I sorta like 'em better this way. If people want it adjusted further let me know and I can keep messing with the css.
  • Show/Hide in tables
  • Remove the Template:Moving from articles
  • Fix gif thumbnails
  • Page Creation box on main page
  • RecentChanges to match our old Recentchanges
  • Title bar
  • Favicon
  • Changing/Merging usernames
  • Renameuser extension


If you see a page missing please use Wikia's Export to export and Special:Import to import it (or just let me know and I'll do it). I wouldn't be surprised if somethings got missed due to the crappy way I had to do the move thanks to Wikia not updated the dump. I know the page count is WAY off. But I think that is either due to a counting error, it hasn't fully caught up with all the imports, or it counts differently than Wikia. Fenyx4 09:44, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

I noticed a serious bug with gif-files. If they are shrinked, then they seem to make some colors (especially black) transparent. Can be seen for example here : List of Timegate Locations.
EDIT: Two more points:
  • The tutorial link on the main page still points to wikia.
  • Page creation box above it is broken.--Tribun 10:04, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
Dang it. I'd hoped that gif problem was something limited to home server and that a full fledged webserver wouldn't suffer from the problem. I'll look into it.
Removing references to wikia is fun everyone can join in on! :)
If people want to see something amusing check out the Job queue on Special:Statistics. Slowly working through a 14k long list! Fenyx4 10:17, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
What is really sad, is :User talk:Fenyx4 is the 2nd most viewed page on this wiki. Dungy 10:54, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

FYI: Currently importing new files requires administrator status. That should probably be changed. Also, can I be an admin on the new site. Please? Please? Pretty Please? Dungy 17:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, you are quite enthusiastic, aren't you? I for my part don't really have use for too much power, but some kind of recognition, now that we are free of wikia, would be nice (is there something alse besides admins?).Btw., I noticed that the geography navigation isn't yet collapsable.--Tribun 10:58, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
Mainly, I'd love the ability to delete pages. It means I could fix my own mistakes instead of always relying on Fenyx to do it for me. Dungy 11:07, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
Also, uploading is curently disabled. Once that gets fixed, I have a ton of new Ultima IX NPC photos to upload. :P

Yeah. Uhm, if we are unable to fix the gif-bug (however THAT happened), the only alternative would be to convert all of them to png (to prevent loss) and re-upload them and changing all links. I sincerely hope however, that it won't come to that.--Tribun 11:15, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Sad? User talk:Fenyx4 being the 2nd most viewed page isn't sad. It's awesome! ;)
Doh. Sorry about the import problem. I'll try to figure out who to change the permissions on that. Enabling upload was easy though. Let me know if you are still having problems with that.
Figuring out some sort of admin nomination thingy was on my list of things to do after we made the move! Thanks for bringing it up. Umm... But I dunno what is typically done. And besides "get some sort of consensus" I dunno what to do. So, we'd have to dig into it and figure out how we want to deal with that. By default there is Admin, Bureaucrat, and Bot. There are ways to make more... but I don't even know what the difference is between Admin and Bureaucrat. I'm gonna keep working on polishing this move up before I start looking at though. But I'd love if someone starting figuring out how we want to do it.
Yeah... gif thing is really bothering me too. I notice the Job queue has gone up. Wonder if part of that queue is generating thumbnails... Hrm... Fenyx4 11:31, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
Thumbnails are in the process of getting fixed. Flushing out all the ones it already made incorrectly is taking awhile but it should be done soon. Fenyx4 12:18, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
Okay, done with the gif thumbnails. If you see any bad ones still lurking out there let me know. Oh look the job queue is back up to 15k. :) Fenyx4 12:41, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
Yes, we'll have to do something about new admins in order to help Fenyx. And BTW, having only one admin is dangerous... no one to control Fenyx :). No, I mean at Wikia we had some Wikia admins in case something happened to the regular admins, but here, if Fenyx is sick or on leave, we're left without an admin... Btw, I think WTF should be an admin, even if it is honorary, as he's hosting the site and all...--Sega381 17:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
It's true the power is going straight to my head. We must put checks and balances in place before I decide to, say, force a skin on you guys with fixed width and a crappy interface!
I should really go dig into how other wikis do nominations 'n' elections 'n' stuff. I know the people I'd like to make admins but I want the community to make the choice not me. Fenyx4 00:20, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
Yep, that would be good. In the wikis I've participated as an admin, usually one of the admins proposes a new candidate, and all the admins give their votes. After that, when a consensus is reached, admin powers are given to the candidate. However, seeing as we have only one admin here, this process doesn't make much sense, so if you can find how some other wikis do it, it would be great.
Given the fact that we don't have an admin, an idea would be that the admin(s) propose one or more admin candidates, send messages to all users about the nomination, and leave the nomination up for votes and discussions on all the community members that want to participate. After, I don't know, a couple of weeks, the admin(s) collect the votes and discussion and make a descision. I'm just making this up here, but it seems like a logical idea to me.--Sega381 06:04, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Yep, it works! Can you tell us what the engine screwed up, resulting in the mrangled gifs? Oh, btw., I noticed that tables have a light-gray instead of white background. Can you tweak that (Can also be seen on the timegate destination page).--Tribun 12:43, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Title bar - Currently the title is "The Codex of Editable Wisdom, a Wikia wiki for Ultima and Ultima Online". Could you please remove the Wikia part? Also, a lot of people seemed to like the "Codex of Ultima Wisdom", so you might want to change Editable to Ultima. Dungy 12:49, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Whatever method it was using to make the thumbs was just doing it wrong. I don't know why it was making black transparent. And I'm not even sure what it was using to resize them. But there was an option to use ImageMagick instead. So, I turned that on and then deleted all the thumbs generated so far to force it to remake them.
The table formatting problems is already on my list. Changed it to be a bit clearer. Fenyx4 12:55, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
How did I miss this for so long: all the galleries are broken. Guess this needs to get a top spot for fixing.--Tribun 16:43, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
I for one just didn't see any of the pages we use the gallery tag on. :) MediaWiki has that tag by default but it just differs slightly in the usage on Wikia. Fenyx4 00:20, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
Figured out RecentChanges! Just go into Special:Preferences->Recent changes and check "Use enhanced recent changes (requires JavaScript)" and the click "Save". -- Fenyx4 00:42, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
Galleries are still a little bit broken. They're only displaying a maximum of 4 per row, and there seems to be a large white blank space around each image. This makes the Lost Vale gallery take up a frightening amount of excess space. Dungy 05:33, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Any chance of getting something like My Home from Wikia over here? I know there's Recent Changes, but it is a bit difficult to easily and quickly look over for changes. --Warder Dragon 14:31, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Hehe, I never used "My Home".... I always thought that Recent Changes was easier and more efficient :)--Sega381 16:52, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
Oog, I never used My Home either. I think it was solely a Wikia developed thing. I'll add it to my list and see if I can find something similar though. -- Fenyx4 07:39, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

Thanks to WoWPedia I tracked down a good Youtube extension. It needed a bit of tweaking to allow you to specify the width and height but it works now (I hope). The weird [[Video: links don't work anymore (although as far as I can tell we only used that in one place). So you we have to use the <youtube>. You can see it in action in Main_Page/featuredmedia. -- Fenyx4 07:39, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

I found serious Wikia remains in the references of the Compainons, also Most of these references seem to be utterly useless. I don't dare to tinker with it, so can you cleanse them?--Tribun 06:24, 29 October 2010 (PDT)
Good point. I know how to fix that, I'll get on that.--Sega381 10:17, 29 October 2010 (PDT)

I know this doesn't belong here, but I don't know where else to write it: I updated all the links on Wikipedia to our new home, eliminating all mention of the old Codex.--Tribun 13:13, 29 October 2010 (PDT)

In my never ending quest to cleanse the codex of orphaned pages, I've noticed a number of Ultima IV NPC pages are incorrectly appearing as orphaned when they are not. Dungy 14:49, 23 November 2010 (PST)

Rich Text Editor[edit]

Okay, I installed one. You should now see a "Rich Editor" link above the edit window that let's you enable it. Definitely not the same as the one on Wikia (I think they forked awhile back). I messed with it a bit and this one doesn't seem as feature rich... But I never used the Rich Editor on Wikia. People use the Rich Editor does this meet your needs? -- Fenyx4 06:55, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

Search Function[edit]

I was wondering if it is possible to install a better search function. One thing I liked about wikia is when you started a search function, it gave you a list of available files that started with the same letters. Also, the current function can't find "sea serpents" when you do a search for "sea serpent". Not very good. Dungy 17:07, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

We're probably using the default search. There are several more. Wikia uses, according to the Special:Version page, "Wikia Search (Version 0.1)", " cross-Wikia search engine using Solr backend". According to our Special:Version page, we are using... none, which is the default. Wowpedia recommends "MWSearch (and Lucene-search)" and "OpenSearchXml" (they have installed the latter in their new site). There is an interesting article about "Why MediaWiki's Site Search Stinks" you may want to read about. They also recommend MWSearch (Lucene), and another one called Sphynx.--Sega381 17:50, 28 October 2010 (PDT)
Thanks for tracking these down! Sorry I haven't had a chance to peek at them yet. But trust me they are definitely next on my list. -- Fenyx4 09:09, 30 October 2010 (PDT)
Turns out this is a bit more involved than other extensions. Requiring you to actually run extra services on the server. I think I'm going to demo it on my local machine and then I'll have to discuss with WTF about the possibilities of doing this with his hosting. -- Fenyx4 14:00, 31 October 2010 (PDT)
I got one part of Dungy's request. The auto-complete should now be working. -- Fenyx4 17:24, 2 November 2010 (PDT)

Japanese Ports[edit]

Seeing that you right now are making pictures and videos of the FM-Towns versions, do you have access to the Sharp x68000 version of Ultima V. From the few shots I saw, the dungeon graphics of the port are damn good, but it is nearly impossible to get good shots.--Tribun 10:26, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

I don't have access to it now but I'll try poking around and see what I can find. -- Fenyx4 10:37, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
I've gotten it up and running. Is there anything specific you'd like some screenshots or video of? -- Fenyx4 11:32, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
Just three or four shots of each of the three dungeon types, best with enemies and things like doors and fountains. They'd do good to show the graphical differences.--Tribun 13:26, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

Wow, it's impressive how different the same amount of colors looks at double the resolution. Thanks for the shots (although the moongate picture seems to be broken and far too big).--Tribun 10:43, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

Weird what happened to the moongate image. I'll have to reupload it later. -- Fenyx4 10:59, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

A little request: could you please also upload the actual intros of FM-Towns Ultima IV and V? I curious to see how they look in VGA.--Tribun 17:35, 6 February 2012 (PST)

Case insensitive searches and links[edit]

Is it possible to make inter-wiki links and searches using the search box case-insensitive. Can I use "Lord british" to link to Lord British? Using the search box would be easier for everyone if you didn't have to properly capitalize everything. I mean, we'd still have to use proper capitalization in all of our articles, it'd just make finding and linking articles easier for everyone. Dungy 16:38, 14 August 2011 (PDT)

Yeah, that would be incredibly handy. It does get somewhat frustrating always having to rewrite multi-word article titles in common form when linking to them in the context of a sentence. Kinda makes me wish we didn't have strictly capitalized titles. --Terilem 16:58, 14 August 2011 (PDT)
I'm afraid I don't know of any way to change this. It is a fairly low level code in mediawiki and, to my knowledge, there isn't a simple setting that I can change. -- Fenyx4 12:37, 19 August 2011 (PDT)


Seriously, the spammer problem gets way out of hand and they by now have polluted our user database. We really have to find a way to keep them out (and maybe you can dispose of all these spammer accounts, as they have no worth at all).--Tribun 11:53, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

We already have a captcha on account creation. Enforce the creation of an account to upload images. Have an extension designed to stop bots. And have preemptively blocked over 140 thousand IP addresses. If you have any suggestions I'd gladly consider them.
The spammer accounts do have worth I'm afraid. They're blocked. If I delete them they would no longer be blocked thus allowing the spammers back in. Could you explain what your precise problem with having them around is? Although deleting them isn't an option perhaps I could find a solution to your actual issue with them. -- Fenyx4 12:37, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
I have a problem how they bog down the user list. Maybe you can make blocked accounts invisible, meaning they no longer appear on the list?--Tribun 12:49, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
That I think I can do. -- Fenyx4 13:31, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

Just seeing what happened the previous days: How did these spammers manage to get through? I thought only registered people (which can only be allowed by the admin) can create new pages?--Tribun (talk) 12:31, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Because they are a plague upon us. -- Fenyx4 12:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

FM Towns Intro Translations[edit]

Hey, there; just a notice that the first three intros to the FM Towns games have been translated here. I'll get on the ones for U4 and 5. RACapowski 19:45, 28 August 2011 (PDT)

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I've posted links to the translations on the videos I uploaded. I'll try to annotate them up later. -- Fenyx4 07:25, 30 August 2011 (PDT)
Long time coming, but the U4 & U5 intros (as well as, for odd reasons, the Japanese translation of Garriott's 1-2-3 Trilogy welcome note) are done, posted at the same URL. 19:24, 10 October 2011 (PDT)
Dang it, that was me. RACapowski 19:26, 10 October 2011 (PDT)

Not updated categories[edit]

While experimenting with not being logged in, I noticed that ALLcategories were recently (~2 months) where articles had been added were not updated, meaning a user that isn't logged in doesn't see the new articles. This seems to be a much bigger problem so is there a way to flush the cache so that it is forced to show the newest version?--Tribun 15:47, 13 December 2011 (PST)

I noticed the same thing yesterday, but forgot to post about it. Dungy 16:51, 13 December 2011 (PST)

Can I make a request? Could you please program a bot to purge the cache of all categories and pages (would that be difficult?) so that anonymus users can get the updated lists and pages? I just noticed the problem again and think something should be done.--Tribun 18:11, 26 December 2012 (PST)

I'm hoping that updating the wiki to a newer version will help with that. Just need to get my lazy ass around to doing that. -- Fenyx4 18:15, 26 December 2012 (PST)

It's getting out of hand[edit]

Fenyx, we really need to do something about the spammers. We now have five spambots a day. Please, can you make it that new accounts have to be approved by the admins first (f.e. Dungy) before they are activated? I think our real users would understand.--Tribun 10:49, 28 December 2011 (PST)

Seconded. I havn't seen anyone make a new account just to make a minor edit in quite a while. Spammers are bad, m'kay.--Browncoat Jayson 11:24, 28 December 2011 (PST)
I have to reluctantly agree. When there was 1 or 2 spam messages a week I could deal with it, but now it's like 3 or 4 a day. This is getting obnoxious. Dungy 14:19, 28 December 2011 (PST)
Fourthed. (Quartered? And Drawn?) --polygoncount (Polygon Dragon -==(UDIC)==-) 00:21, 29 December 2011 (PST)
I've e-mailed Fenyx, hopefully he reads it.--Tribun 06:20, 29 December 2011 (PST)
Thanks for the e-mail but I do get e-mailed every-time there is an edit on my discussion page.
I tried grabbing a new blacklisted ip list yesterday but messed up and ran out of time.
Anyways I've turned off account creation for now to stop the deluge we've had. I'll try to get to the blacklist soon. Maybe set up an automated process to grab a new one every week.
I still oppose having a walled garden (but I understand that I'm not active on here so my vote doesn't hold much weight). But even though I've turned off account creation for now to stop the deluge the discussion is still open. And there are hopefully still other options. We've been hit hard before and I've managed to decrease it then. -- Fenyx4 07:08, 29 December 2011 (PST)

First thanks that you've stopped the flood of spammers. As for "walled garden", I've been on numerous wikis and boards already where it was normal that a new account had to be manually activated by an admin. It's just to keep out spambots and considering how small our community is, I don't see much of a problem with it.--Tribun 07:43, 29 December 2011 (PST)

We could also ask ourselves what damage is really being done by them. I don't have to deal w/the annoyance of docking these guys on a multi-daily basis, but the only wrong I feel is that it is offensive to us and our precious wiki. The way I see it, what's important is that readers don't see the spams. It'd wager that not a single user has seen any.
I am curious as to how they pull it off, though. We have CAPTCHAs in place, don't we? Are they defeated by bots because they are too weak or are there sweat-shops in Asia dedicated to answering each and every one of them? The Ultra-Mind 15:33, 29 December 2011 (PST)
Just got ConfirmAccount extension working. Admins will have to check Special:ConfirmAccounts to actually let people in.
As Tribun said it will hopefully keep the spambots out. I still don't like it though. Maybe it is a weakness in my character but when I come across something like this on other wikis I typically turn the other way and don't look back. On the Wing Commander one it was over 24 before they confirmed and I'd forgotten what I was going to fix on there.... I need to figure how to get this extension to e-mail me when someone makes a request... -- Fenyx4 08:27, 28 January 2012 (PST)
Okay, I've got it e-mail me now. I might be able add more e-mails if other admins would like notifications. -- Fenyx4 08:37, 28 January 2012 (PST)

Problem with picture update[edit]

There seems to be a problem when updating pictures. Sometimes after the upload, the wiki refuses to show the new picture and still uses the old one. Could you please look into that? Seems to be a cache problem.--Tribun 06:04, 8 January 2012 (PST)

[:Image:U72box.jpg] right? It looks like it has updated now. Just like back on wikia it takes a little time for pictures to get updated. This seems to be working just a bit slower than instant. (P.S. Unlike the categories that don't seem to be updating at all. I still gotta figure out how to fix that.) -- Fenyx4 07:23, 10 January 2012 (PST)

Aaaand We're Back![edit]

As some may have noticed the Codex was down for a few hours. As you are reading this you can see that we are back up and running. No wiki data was actually in danger. We only lost some settings files (not actually sure why though). PHP was updated in our attempts to fix it which broke the ReCaptcha extension. But as that wasn't helping to keep the spam bots out anyways it doesn't seem to be a big loss so I've disabled it. Sorry for the downtime. -- Fenyx4 22:25, 4 February 2012 (PST)

Well, apparently the reCaptcha was stopping the anonymous bots. So, I'll see if I can dust of my php skills and go fix that extension. -- Fenyx4 06:53, 5 February 2012 (PST)
Should be working now. -- Fenyx4 07:11, 5 February 2012 (PST)
Thanks for all your hard work. I've been away for the last week, and will probably be away for the next week, but it's awesome you addressed this problem. Dungy 17:17, 5 February 2012 (PST)
Oh, it seems the search auto-finish, that thing that finished searches if there are pages with that name seems to be not working. Dungy 17:27, 7 February 2012 (PST)
Hrm, not sure why that isn't working. In the settings that is turned on. I'll keep messing with it. -- Fenyx4 08:30, 8 February 2012 (PST)
I also keep getting the following error message when viewing the codex, "Function split() is deprecated in /nfs/c03/h03/mnt/55109/domains/ on line 3385" It's not stopping me from viewing or loading the codex, and it appears to be happening semi-randomly, but I'd love to get rid of it. Dungy 05:15, 11 February 2012 (PST)
*rubs temples* I may need to upgrade the whole wiki to a new version to properly support this new version of php. -- Fenyx4 09:44, 13 February 2012 (PST)

New contributor having difficulty creating an account[edit]

User KopeofOnrac has been trying to create an account here in the wiki, but has been having difficulties.
"I'm trying to get into my new login for, and I'm having no luck. I keep asking for an email for my new password, but I get nothing. My login name is KopeofOnrac."
"Oh wait, now it says that my user name KopeofOnrac is pending account request. That's strange. I could have sworn I got an account approval message, but I guess I must not have. It'll probably clear itself up."

Any idea the problem? Or is it just a matter of patience until things get cleared up? Dungy 02:07, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Just confirmed him in Special:ConfirmAccounts. You should have access to that too. Would you like me to try to set it up to e-mail you as well when someone requests an account? -- Fenyx4 08:35, 12 February 2012 (PST)
I don't have access to Special:ConfirmAccounts. That's only bureaucrats. Maybe it should be accessible to admins as well. But yeah, I'd love an email as well. Dungy 09:01, 12 February 2012 (PST)
OK, admins can access account confirmation now. Dungy 11:48, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Table of Contents[edit]

Just drawing your attention to this conversation Talk:Ultima VI Transcript (old). Is there anything there that could easily be incorporated here? Dungy 17:55, 12 February 2012 (PST)

The instructions seem pretty straight forward. - Iceblade 21:00, 12 February 2012 (EST)

Sedition from Wikia[edit]

I accidentally went to Wikia and noticed it to be disappointingly vibrant. I was wondering why you weren't leaving seditious messages on their talk pages anymore, trying to attract them here. In fact, you're still leaving a bot message welcoming them. Do we need to put someone on sedition duty? The Ultra-Mind 21:25, 15 June 2012 (PDT)

Fenyx can confirm, but I'm pretty sure the admins there started shutting that down. It's my understanding that we aren't allowed to link this wiki on anyone's talk page.
On the other hand, in an average week the Wikia version only gets a small handful of minor edits from mostly anonymous contributors. It's hardly what I'd call a thriving community there. --Terilem 21:37, 15 June 2012 (PDT)
Yeah, SemanticDrifter is paying really close attention to it. Not much to do there unless he stops looking. The automated messages aren't from me per se. Wikia automates those messages and has them addressed from admins. I'm still an admin on there so my name still shows up. (I'm honestly surprised my admin status hasn't been revoked.) -- Fenyx4 22:47, 15 June 2012 (PDT)
Well, the old wikia place is pretty much as dead as a doornail. The number of edits per day (if any at all) is 1-2, it has about 1400 articles less than our current home (not to speak of screenshots), all illustrations are the old, bad versions and most articles are horribly outdated old versions that were long re-written here. Wikia is just too stubborn to admit that it is clinically dead.--Tribun 05:23, 16 June 2012 (PDT)
Dead from our point of view perhaps, but not the casual visitor; regardless of the lack of editing activity, I'm willing to bet Wikia still gets a lot of traffic, and there isn't much we can do about it. Our association with The Ultima Codex certainly helps, but what really matters in a big way is Google: Wikia simply buries us when it comes to search results. Most prospective visitors would be completely oblivious to the politics of the situation and just click through to the first wiki that shows up. --Terilem 18:50, 16 June 2012 (PDT)
Heh. Now a Wikia staffer is suddenly carrying out mass article clean-ups. Rather interesting timing in light of current developments in the Ultima community. --Terilem 18:15, 12 July 2012 (PDT)
Hehehe. I like their main page "the game will be set in the universe depicted in Ultima IV: Quest For the Avatar". Gonna be hard for people to keep those names straight. Subtle difference. ;)
Perhaps I'll have FenyxBot run through and hit the same spelling fixing his bot fixed... Although I'm betting people here have already caught a lot of them over the years. -- Fenyx4 06:22, 13 July 2012 (PDT)

An error message when updating the U9 Transcript[edit]

Not sure where to post about this error message, but here it is:

 A database query syntax error has occurred.
 This may indicate a bug in the software.
 The last attempted database query was:
 (SQL query hidden)
 from within function "Revision::insertOn".
 Database returned error "5: Out of memory (Needed 857744 bytes) (".

Is this error perhaps the result of too much text on a single wiki page? - User:Iceblade 19 October 2012

I'm afraid I can't reproduce it now. The max size for an article should be 2048 kilobytes and currently the article is only(!!!) 765 kilobytes long. So unless your next edit was doubling it in size... I'll ask Mr. WtF if we are running short on space and/or if he already increased it. -- Fenyx4 06:40, 26 October 2012 (PDT)
Just checked it out, and it works without issue. - User:Iceblade 8 December 2012

Some Deletion Please[edit]

In the category "Articles for Deletion" we have amassed a number of really big pictures that were replaced with much slimmer versions. Could you please delete these old pictures (they only cost server HD space).--Tribun 14:55, 3 January 2013 (PST)

Feature request: &nbsp; hack[edit]

Because it's bad style to separate numbers in a paragraph from the words with which they are mated, (such as "Ultima" and "IV", "7" and "A.M.", "5" and "sqft.", etc.) I've been experimenting with putting &nbsp;es to keep "Ultima" and their roman numerals from being separated. Unfortunately, it makes for awkward code, especially when the text forms a link, since "Ultima&nbsp;IV" will not resolve to a valid link, saying nothing about the massive task in applying that correction to the whole wiki. I was wondering if a hack could be made to the site's engine, such that any displayed text that begins with "Ultima" is followed by a space and then either "I", "V" or "X" have a &nbsp; replace the space. No one would probably even notice. I thought I'd ask you if it is feasible before putting it to the community. The Ultra-Mind 17:43, 17 February 2013 (PST)

This sounds interesting in theory, but I fear it will fall on our feet once we need to edit such an article. I made the painful experience that it is a nightmare to edit an article that is littered with such code.--Tribun 22:49, 17 February 2013 (PST)
I feel you're overstating the issue quite a bit. It seems you're drawing an equivalency between this idea and the result of unsuspecting contributors using the rich text editor, which I think is unfair. What The Ultra-Mind is proposing is pretty harmless and would largely be constrained to game titles, which would hardly result in articles being littered with code as you're suggesting. --Terilem 23:19, 17 February 2013 (PST)
Perhaps it is just bad memories, yet I can't shake off that feeling.--Tribun 04:35, 18 February 2013 (PST)
Let's avoid hacking the site's engine. That sounds like a maintenance nightmare. :)
There are multiple ways to do it though without messing around in mediawiki's source code though. [[Ultima&nbsp;IV]] may not resolve to a valid link but you can create a redirect from that link to [[Ultima IV]]. But I agree with Tribun that &nbsp; is fugly. Perhaps not for all the same reasons though. I think it can be confusing. When scanning the text it really just looks like gobbledegook to me and I have to pause and spend extra time parsing it. And if we ever want to change it later we have to go digging through all the pages to make the change again.
To fix the link/redirect issue we can use <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Ultima IV]]</span>. That still suffers from being a bit verbose and people entering it regularly could easily make a mistake and not notice. And doesn't fix having to go through everywhere and change it all again if we want it to look different.
So, we shove it in a template. {{nowrap|[[Ultima IV]]}} will do exactly what the above does but it does it a bit cleaner. And it can easily be used elsewhere in the wiki. It is pretty clean too (still not quite as clean as I would like though). Also, although it makes it easy to change how nowrapping is done in the future, it doesn't make changing how we display the game titles in the future easy.
Sadly that is where I run out. I think the best solution would be to have template like this [[{{Ultima IV}}]] for each game. It would know that we want it to italicized and have no wrapping. We could change that formatting all in one place so we don't have to do it everywhere all over again. And it would be clean. But it breaks linking again since you can't have the link brackets around the span tag. Basically we can have the template always link or not link and clearly that doesn't work. If anyone has insight on how to get that working that would be awesome. Otherwise I think we'd have to go with the nowrap template. -- Fenyx4 08:46, 18 February 2013 (PST)

That's very imaginative. But in the end, it involves beating the code w/the ugly stick, at least a little, and editors are bound to make mistakes from time to time. Even though we can back out of something like that, then we still introduce just a little bit of clutter to all the articles' histories.

From what I understand about the site engine, I could probably make the change myself, if I could be trusted to act in good faith :) FWIW, I'm an accomplished developer and unlike most supposed professionals, I write code that can actually be easily maintained or cleanly reversed, as the case may be. Never am I more aware of that need as I am now, as my job for the last year and a half has been wrangling with the mess made by those to whom my employers outsourced overseas (before the got fed up and hired me)! So, what I'm saying is, worse case scenario, we have to reverse the changes, then no one who visits the Codex thereafter has any idea that the hack was ever applied. The Ultra-Mind 09:39, 18 February 2013 (PST)

Would it not be easier to apply this via CSS? Titles are italics and all hyperlinks are a tags, so apply a combo style that <i><a> is no-wrap. Or would that break anythine else? --Browncoat Jayson 10:49, 18 February 2013 (PST)
@Ultra-Mind this is a content issue and doesn't need a code fix. Fixing it in the code seems like it would break HTML, CSS and Mediawiki standards and have to be redone everytime we wanted to bump up the mediawiki version. Why bother with that when we can just fix it in the content.
@Browncoat hrm... tempting idea but it wouldn't always work. If you look under, say, Julia's portrait 'Ultima Underworld' is not in a <i> tag due to the italicization is inverted since the entire line is italicized. And I would just be worried that it would pop up in random places that we do wanting wrapping. -- Fenyx4 11:39, 18 February 2013 (PST)
True, but in that instance, the game title isn't a hyperlink so it wouldn't matter anyway. There would always be a possibility that it would apply somewhere that we don't expect, but its easier to correct those few places than to force users to consistently apply a template to content. Anyway, just a thought. --Browncoat Jayson 13:20, 18 February 2013 (PST)

@Fenyx I don't know about HTML or CSS, but it quite probably would break w/Mediawiki standards. If the hack is as simple as I hope it would be, then it might just amount to a few minutes work every time my last few minutes work got clobbered. Of course, things happen--people lose interest in their hobbies, they die, etc. Now I could be wrong, but if that were to happen to me, I don't see how that would leave the rest of you up the creek, w/out a simple way of preparing for plan B. The Ultra-Mind 14:35, 18 February 2013 (PST)

I can't really follow all the code talk, but why does it have to break links? Can't it just be formatted as [[Ultima IV | Ultima&nbsp;IV]]? That said, the template idea sounds a lot simpler for an editor to deal with. I can handle throwing in a few extra brackets. --Terilem 18:03, 18 February 2013 (PST)

... *facepalm*
Terilem wins this conversation. :)
That also would fix the template linking problem. So [[Ultima IV|{{Ultima IV}}]] for linked ones and {{Ultima IV}} for unlinked.
What do people think of that? If we like it then I can make the templates and have FenyxBot hit the majority of them. -- Fenyx4 19:45, 18 February 2013 (PST)
I'm taking the silence as agreement to this? I'll see about running FenyxBot after the Mediawiki update. That should give the site a good shakedown. :) -- Fenyx4 12:36, 5 March 2013 (PST)
To be honest I didn't get what actually will be new and what we have to do in the future.--Tribun 15:02, 5 March 2013 (PST)
Finally started on this. I've demoed it for Ultima IV on Ultima IV and Julia. -- Fenyx4 14:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.20[edit]

The update is mostly done. It went fairly smoothly but there are a few hiccups. The forums disappeared being the worst. The data is still there it is just hiding. The Youtube tag extension no longer works but there are recommended replacements so that will be fairly simple. ConfirmAccount doesn't seem to be sending e-mails to the specified admins. I'll work on fixing these tomorrow.

I also removed UserMerge since it hasn't been used since the move from Wikia.

FCKEditor is outdated and has security flaws. Did anyone ever use it or does everyone use the raw editing these days? There re some recommended replacements that I can look at if people are interested in them.

Search autofill is working again though! Yay!

And now I'ma gonna get some sleep. Let me know if you see any other problems. -- Fenyx4 22:50, 10 March 2013 (PDT)

I noticed the galleries are no longer fixed to 4 images per row and now adapt to screen width. Very nice.--Tribun (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2013 (PDT)

Error creating Thumbnails[edit]

When trying to create a new thumbnail, I just get a gray box with "Error creating a thumbnail" in it. This also happens with images that already have thumbnails of a different size. There seems to be something broken with it.--Tribun (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thumbnails should be fixed now. -- Fenyx4 12:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Error in histories[edit]

It seems that Time Lord gets a little more credit than is due in histories. What do you see in Rule Britiannia's history? All I get is Time Lord edits plus one that you did, during the move in 2010. I know Tribun and I did some work there. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 18:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Dang Time Lords travelin' through time and taking all the credit. Looks like he now has credit for EVERY edit from before the move. I dunno what is going on. It didn't have this problem immediately after the move. Perhaps some artifact from the move from wikia didn't work correctly with the recent upgrade or the even more recent server move? Hard to say. I still have the data from the original move I think. So theoretically it would be fixable... But may be a lot of effort. I'll poke at it as I can. -- Fenyx4 19:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I didn't notice this before. Better check it out as it could point to some serious problem.--Tribun (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
This should now be fixed (although I had to do a few ctrl-f5s to get it some of them to show up properly). For those that are interested it looks to have been a problem from the original move from Wikia. There are two columns in the revision table. One which has the username and one which has the user's id. Nearly all the ones from before the move had the right username but the wrong userid (I for one blame Wikia!). My guess is that the update to Mediawiki last month changes how the revision history showed the username. Showing the username based on the userid instead of just showing the username in the revision table. Thereby exposing the error. I fixed it with some SQL voodoo. (This probably fixed the edit count problem too) -- Fenyx4 02:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Seems to be working now! Now the question is, why do they have two columns for the user instead of just the user id? That's not following good database normalization guidelines... --Sega381 (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
It appears to come in useful for anonymous edits since they don't have a user_id... Dunno why they'd put the username in there at all then though. Old laziness getting grandfathered along? Old optimizing for speed? Whatever it is I ain't gonna go digging in the MediaWiki code. :) -- Fenyx4 13:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem with animated pictures[edit]

When uploading an animated gif, there is an error in the thumbnail picture, when the picture is bigger than the thumbnail (meaning the preview is made smaller), corrupting the thumbnail. Can be seen in the history of SImagcloak.gif.--Tribun (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I'll try to fix that. -- Fenyx4 15:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Apart from that issue (which still persists) something wierd goes on at least in the history of gif-files that got a newer version. Just look here Davra's Portrait to see the strange effects. Must be a result of you upgrading the wiki engine.--Tribun (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Yup. I see it. It was caused by the server change actually. -- Fenyx4 14:51, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Can you fix it?--Tribun (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I will try to fix it. -- Fenyx4 18:15, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
After much gnashing of teeth and pounding of keyboard this is finally fixed. -- Fenyx4 14:48, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, everything seems to be back in order. What exactly had went wrong?--Tribun (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

ImageMagick wasn't on the new server so I switched to an alternative. The alternative didn't handle gifs very well (as you noticed). Getting ImageMagick installed and working required a lot of debugging. -- Fenyx4 19:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Need some help with the Infobox/Shop/Universal[edit]

I really need some help with the Infobox/Shop/Universal. What I was trying to do is to do get the same as the NPCS, but I failed 'a bit'. Can you help me? This is to be used if there is a case that people wants to have the versions of the Amiga, c64, or those "Upgraded" VGA. --Arthgon (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind. This is no longer needed. You can delete it. As you can see, I was successful in merging two different versions (with description) of the shop. It also possible to use more than two versions now. Just like the NPCs. --Arthgon (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Congrats on getting it working! Sorry I wasn't around to help.
I don't want to rain on your parade but what I and Ultra-Mind said in Talk:Captain Black Tavern still stands. Having different versions of a screenshot needlessly clutters up the article (even when hidden like that). Are we going to end up with 10+ screenshots for every U4 screenshot that is out there now? The article is about Captain Black Tavern not about what the different versions of the game look like.
What this would be useful for is Blue Boar Tavern! We could have screenshots from all the games it appears in in the infobox. -- Fenyx4 14:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
First of all, do not worry, you cannot be everywhere at the same time. Secondly, The Captain Black Tavern was an experiment to get the feeling of mechanics of the template. I can remove the VGA version if you want to. Thirdly, Blue Boar Tavern? Agree. That is a good idea. --Arthgon (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I have applied the template upon Blue Boar Tavern and will do the same thing with others. Interesting. It seems to I have by accident, deleted a big part of one of my posts. Mentioning that I wanted to do the same thing with the shops as the NPCS and if possible different versions. If you know what I mean.--Arthgon (talk) 11:51, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm still of the opinion that different versions of the screenshot from the same game is bad. But having screenshots from all the different games like you have done in Blue Boar Tavern is great! -- Fenyx4 22:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Lord of Ultima[edit]

I've made a decision to take you up on that offer of getting LoU's community here. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you move your LoU content to its own section like SotA and UF and give me and the other major writer of your LoU articles admin rights on it. I would also like all of your communities help starting a project, basically to have all of LoU's history made into a timeline (Including Servers, Crownings, Updates, etc.) and maybe an infographic later on. I hope this request isn't too much. William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 01:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that would be a great idea. The LoU stuff kind of stands out on the wiki, and it might be a good idea to have a subdomain for it, if we had people actively working on it. Dungy (talk) 11:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I am glad you agree. William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 08:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I can set it up an empty wiki for you and, if you like, set up some basic templates. I only barely played the game a couple days when it was first released so I can't be much more help than that though. (Besides keeping MW updated and installing any extensions you'd like and other admin tasks). I think it was Browncoat Jayson who did a lot of the LoU stuff on here so you may want to contact him directly for help.
Is the rest of (or most of) your community on board for this move? Will you be moving the content from Wikia over?
UltimaCodex admin is also wondering if you'd like to consult him about an LoU (non-wiki) subdomain on UltimaCodex. Similar to [1]. That might be a good place for the infographic and some other stuff as well. You can reach him here -- Fenyx4 18:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I am interested and will most definitely contact him. The Wikia community is pretty much as barren as the Codex Wikia, save for my other admin. I'll make a post on the games forums about the move and I'll put a notice on my Wikia front page as well. Where can I find the wiki you set up, and how would I be able to copy or transfer the LoU related articles over to that new wiki? William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 09:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
It isn't up yet. It will probably take me a week or two to get to it. Will be good for an address? You'll be able to use the export page and then the matching import page to transfer the LoU articles over. -- Fenyx4 01:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
That'll be perfect, how can I transfer the LoU related pages already here (On the Codex) over, do I have to copy it all by hand? Its not a problem, I have more time than Father Time himself. And would I be wrong to assume that I will have admin privileges to modify the new LoU section? I have plenty of code and links, etc. that I can bring over from wikia and I just think it'd be easier than having to ask one of the admins to modify the MediaWiki pages for me. William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 04:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Problem with Fold-Out scripts[edit]

You remember the fold-out effect for things like the various NPC infoboxes or the navigation templates? Right now everything is always folded out and the "hide" buttons are missing. The update to the newest version seems to have broken something there (it makes the NPC infobox almost unbearable). Hopefully you can fix that.--Tribun (talk) 00:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Should be fixed. -- Fenyx4 05:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Can we get more information on our readership?[edit]

Forgive my information avarice, but I'm hungry for more stats on our readers than what "popular pages" affords. I'm thinking of what Google searches bring people here, what days weeks or months they visit, countries, browsers, OSes, graphs, pie charts... just saying "pie" made me even hungrier.

I was hoping this place might offer some answers, but it seems it's only available to admins? I don't even remember how I got that. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Was waiting for more info to accumulate before posting but since you asked... User:Fenyx4/Sandbox. -- Fenyx4 02:33, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Uh... ok, thanks. What exactly am I looking at though? Whatever it's saying, it doesn't seem to say very much. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 16:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Google searches that resulted in clicks on our site. -- Fenyx4 22:37, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Fenyx4/Sandbox/GA-PageViews More and I am updating the previous ones. -- Fenyx4 13:23, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Formatting issues[edit]

Hey Fenyx, looks to be pretty quiet here nowadays but hopefully you're still around. :)

A couple of people have noted an issue with the Daver article not displaying correctly (i.e. the style template is failing to load). I can reproduce the error in IE and Chrome, but in Firefox it still loads correctly. Is this something that can be fixed on our end? --Terilem (talk) 08:34, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm still alive! Just been crazy busy with non-Ultima stuff. Uh, that Daver thing is really crazy. Works on chrome for me but not Firefox or IE. Weird... I edited the page, reloaded it in the other browsers and he appears to be working fine now. How does it look to you?
P.S. You or any other wiki goers coming to HoBLotH? -- Fenyx4 04:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Excellent, the article is loading properly for me now as well. Thanks for fixing it; good to know it'll be simple if the issue pops up again.
Geographical factors make HoBLotH infeasible for me, I'm afraid. I don't know about others from here, though. --Terilem (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Bug cookies?[edit]

I am not sure if this is a bug, but the pages of a picture or gif does not look like you're logged in or something. (The rest works perfectly) Now when you log in there it will say 1) you already logged in. 2) "log in error" and "Ultima Codex uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again." However, I have my cookies enabled. (sorry if I am a bit unclear. I'm not sure how to say this) --Arthgon (talk) 15:57, 12 December 2016 (MST)

I also found another bug. If you upload another GIF/picture and insert it in an article it will still say that there are no pages that link to this file. --Arthgon (talk) 09:00, 13 December 2016 (MST)
The logout thing is happening on the UnderWiki too. Something to do with the new host. I'm digging into it. I'll look at the "no pages that link to this file" problem once I have the login thing fixed. (Who knows maybe they are related.) -- Fenyx4 17:08, 13 December 2016 (MST)
I think the login problem on images should be fixed. (Probably a few days ago but I'm not sure when the fix propagated to us). Let me know if you see further problems. Thanks! -- Fenyx4 07:47, 18 December 2016 (MST)

Problems with the picture manager[edit]

There's trouble with the picture manager. It does act like I'm not logged in (even though the edit is correctly attributed to me), even though I am logged in on other pages as normal, thus I also can't replace the pictures with a new version (it says I'm not allowed to), apart from manually replacing them with the uploader. Even then, the new version is not displayed correctly. Something must be broken in the code.--Tribun (talk) 15:33, 13 December 2016 (MST)

Sounds like the logout problem is the same as Arthgon's above. Can you give me an example of the new version not displaying correctly? Thanks. -- Fenyx4 17:10, 13 December 2016 (MST)
The new version did come in the end, but it took over half an hour before it got displayed. That leaves the other problems.--Tribun (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2016 (MST)
I think the login problem on images should be fixed. (Probably a few days ago but I'm not sure when the fix propagated to us). Let me know if you see further problems. Thanks! -- Fenyx4 07:47, 18 December 2016 (MST)

Broken Picture[edit] is broken in that the picture does not appear, despite being there (goes only for the current version), strangely enough, it does work in tables. Any idea what's broken?--Tribun (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2017 (MST)

Odd it looks fine to me. Could you try in a different browser or computer? Maybe something is cached badly in your browser? -- Fenyx4 18:39, 13 January 2017 (MST)
If you use an ad blocker, that might be the cause. I couldn't see it either until I disabled mine. --Terilem (talk) 22:50, 13 January 2017 (MST)
Maybe it's because of the name? "ad" could be the cause. (could also go for some others)--Tribun (talk) 05:21, 14 January 2017 (MST)
Yep, was the adblocker. It does have a problem with the words "ad", "advertisement", "-advertisement" and "_advertisement" when they stand on their own. It's the naming of the files that causes the problem.--Tribun (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2017 (MST)
Installed ad blocker and I had the problem. Changed the filename and it is all good now. -- Fenyx4 17:36, 18 January 2017 (MST)

Image/page load issue[edit]

I have some problems loading the page Martian_Dreams_Monster_Data of the wiki ( because of the last image in the table: Dust Devil.
The image ( seems corrupt or something because it half loads and then hangs and blocks the completion of the page loading.
The loaded half of the image is nonetheless shown.
The behaviour is shown also loading the following link:
Question is: can you check, please, if this is my fault or if there is a problem? And in the latter case can someone fix it please?
Many thanks

P.S. Other pages/thumbnails seem to show the same problem, for example:
- the thumbnail of SI's back cover (page
- Ghost thumbnail in Monster Data of Ultima IV (
There may be others. I mentioned them because it may be a clue of a general problem, not limited to a particular image.

P.P.S: After some trial I found that the issue doesn't show up changing the type of web connection I use.
So thanks anyway and, please, pardon me and ignore this post.

Thanks for the update. Sorry that I didn't respond sooner to your earlier messages. -- Fenyx4 10:04, 22 August 2017 (MDT)