User talk:Fenyx4/Archive

Hi, welcome to Editable Codex! Thanks for your edit to the Talk:Underworld page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- CatherineMunro (Talk) 04:17, 2009 August 5

Your guesses for captions are all correct. I did the caption for Devils, and the Daemon picture is from the Serpent Isle manual. As for the Fairi picture, I was unable to find a better one, sorry.--Tribun 18:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Tribun! Fenyx4 06:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The new list includes only Ultima I creature pictures. Hope that helps. --Tribun 21:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again! I don't own and haven't been able to find an Ultima I manual that let's me check. I hate to put it down without being sure. Fenyx4 04:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Your work in honor, but I think that the characters don't need an infobox. Everything important is said in the text and the charcter portrait also looks fine enough. I would add little, so an infobox isn't needed.--Tribun 14:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Your Ultima IV shops

Some advice: Simple shops are NOT a "Location in Britannia", so I erased them from that category. And just creating lots of stubs isn't good style, I should add.

On a personal note: I see you love it to use lots of scripts. However for everyone else, including me, they are so cryptical that it is practically impossible to make any changes.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Tribun

Pardon I misunderstood the proper usage of "Locations in Britannia" since the shops are after all "Locations" which are in "Britannia". What category would these fall under? And I created two stubs. I'd hardly call that a lot. I created them because I had some information on them I didn't want to forget but didn't have time to fill them out entirely as I was currently working on something else. I was going to get to them soon but it has been less than 24 hours.

Is using the Creature Infobox and LoreQuote templates really that hard? Yes the stuff behind them is hard but that is what the templates are for to hide the complicated and cryptic formatting.Fenyx4 11:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

"Locations in Britannia" is for towns, islands, etc., not a single shop. You could create a sub-category in "Sightseeing" for shops.

I always tried to keep it simple (I do most of the work here with around 80% of the content being from me) so that others can easily understand how to add things. Don't get me wrong, these infoboxes are nice, but I feel that adding too much code makes things to complicated for others. Especially since they will have no idea how it works. --Tribun 12:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I didn't see that category.

I have great respect for what you have accomplished here. If you hadn't done so much work I wouldn't be asking about this stuff before I do it. Heck I probably would have just created a wiki of my own instead of contributing to this one (which at this point you might have preferred :P).

My goal is simplicity too. Say someone finds an NPC that I didn't know about in Britain in Ultima IV two years from now. They go in and add it. Nothing fancy just a description. Someone else comes along and adds the categories to it. Now that the categories have been added the list on Britain#Ultima_IV is automatically updated. Neither of them even realized that list existed.

Or say we want to change how the Lore quotes look? Something as simple as moving the "from" line to the right;

Not to be mistaken for the common Slimes of Britannia, the Slugs of the Abyss are gelatinous, amorphous entities. Their extremely small and limited minds are entirely taken up with an insatiable curiosity, and so Slugs are certain to follow any motion they detect. Fortunately for explorers, Slugs have no eyes or ears, and therefore miss much that occurs around them...

- from "The Memoirs of Cabirus", Ultima Underworld

Before it would've taken hundreds of edits. Now we just change the template.

We can make it as complicated as we want to make it look as pretty as we can and it is all hidden behind the easy to use template.

And truly people don't even need to use the templates. They can just dump the content on a page and others can come back and add the templates later to get the uniform look. That's the joy of wikis. :) -- Fenyx4 14:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Creature Captions

I've insert all the missing captions and corrected the Rogues page, you can remove that from you to-do list.--Tribun 14:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Say do you have a digital copy of the Ultima I manual with the pictures of the creatures? I can't find one. -- Fenyx4 14:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I have one, but it is from the Ultima Collection, a hlp-file. The quality of the pictures isn't that great, even after I tried to improve the quality.--Tribun 15:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again. I actually do have that file but can't open it in Win 7. I'll have to find a way around that... -- Fenyx4 16:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Try this free converter to rtf. http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Windows-HLP-To-RTF-Download-10887.html --Tribun 17:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

NolhamEd 16:17, March 28, 2010 (UTC)Adding NPCs to Ultima V: WOD

Hi,

I'm trying to add to the list of NPCs of Ultima V: WOD. There are about 60 more names I can add to the list, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to add the names to the list of NPCs. I figured out how to add their detail page, but I don't know how to get an entry created into the main list of linkable NPCs.

Thanks,

NolhamEd

Hi NolhamEd! To add Margaret to Category:NPCs of Ultima V go to Margaret's page and click "Add Category" down near the bottom of the page. Then just type in "NPCs of Ultima V" and click save. After that Margaret should appear in the big list. -- Fenyx4 01:56, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

General Intro & Projects Division?

Hallo Fenyx, thanks for your message. I would like to know... 1) whether a page for self-introduction of users exists (so that I can introduce myself) and 2) whether a page where all of you users assigns different tasks to different users (or groups) in the Editable Codex.

PS Or something like a "general discussion & ideas" page.

Cheers,--Muccablu 10:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Muccablu,

1) Self-Introduction usually occurs on people's own user pages. Just edit yours here; User:Muccablu.

2) We don't have a page like that (although it sounds like a good idea and getting better everyday). Closest would be Ultima_Codex:Community_Portal but it hasn't been changed in over a year. A couple of us have personal todo lists; User:Fenyx4 and User:Dungy. Mostly it's been a case of if people see a hole they start filling it. Any changes that might be controversial are discussed in The Forum or in talk pages. -- Fenyx4 14:24, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Formatting: Italicized titles

Hi Fenyx, I was wondering if it would be possible to have your bot automatically italicize Ultima titles (Ultima V, Ultima VI, Martian Dreams, etc.) in articles if they aren't already? It is formatting that needs to be done and I've noticed people going through and doing it manually. This would save the laborious process of combing every article to make the changes. --Terilem 06:46, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I'd already offered to Polygoncount to do this but got distracted by RL partway through making it work. I'll get back on it. -- Fenyx4 13:38, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Fenyx, much appreciated. :) Another thing I forgot to mention: changing any instances of "Ultima VII/2" to "Ultima VII Part Two" would also be a big help. --Terilem 15:17, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

That one is really easy! FenyxBot is working on it now. -- Fenyx4 15:24, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

FenyxBot's work on italicizing the titles is done. I know it didn't catch everything but hopefully the large percentage of them have been caught. -- Fenyx4 23:01, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

NPC Infoboxes

Don't take this the wrong way, but the use for NPC infoboxes is not very apperant. What are they supposed to accomplish, when all the information in them is already included in the first sentence of the character description?

Personally I think, that you are wasting your time with them.--Tribun 10:37, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I'd already started writing stuff in the forum when you left this message. I replied to this there. -- Fenyx4 11:39, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to inform you that all Ultima Underworld I NPCs are now online and can be Infoboxed by you. Also I don't plan to all Ultima IX one-liner NPCs, so you can infobox them as well (careful here, since some pictures have different sizes). Savage Empire can use Infoboxes as well.--Tribun 21:31, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. If I just ran the bot I'd be done by now but I need the large chunks of time free to follow-up and fill in all the information, fix picture sizes and specify species. Tryin' not to leave a mess behind me. Hopefully I'll have more free time soon. -- Fenyx4 16:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Btw., "Location" for the NPCs of Ultima Underworld would be in the infobox "Abyss-level X" (X being the level in question), apart from Corwin and Almric, this works with all of them (even Garamon, as he manifests on level 5)--Tribun 22:14, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just looking around for how it should be formatted. Do we have maps of the Underworld anywhere on here? I was hoping to enter them in such a way that if it is changed to links it'd be linking to somethin'. -- Fenyx4 22:27, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Nope, we don't have these maps here.--Tribun 22:31, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Something must've went wrong when the bot infoboxed the Ultima V NPCs. All that have no picture in the article have their infobox below instead of beside the text.--Tribun 11:16, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Arg, figures that would happen the time I head to bed. Thanks. Should be fixed now. -- Fenyx4 14:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Ultima IX NPCs are now ready to be infoboxed.--Tribun 15:06, 30 October 2010 (PDT)

Deleting discussion pages

Do we have to come to you to delete discussion pages? I see that "Talk: Great Bridge" is still around, even though it doesn't have an accompanying article. AngusM 20:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I missed that. If you find anything else like that you can mark it with {{Delete}}. -- Fenyx4 22:07, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages, too? AngusM 22:21, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if it's clear that I missed it when I was deleting its article. That template adds it to Category:Articles for Deletion which allows me to find it when I go on a deleting spree. -- Fenyx4 22:26, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Bot request: common nounization of professions and races

I've decided that Forum:Need_policy_on_capitalization_of_races_(and_I_guess_other_things) has gone as far as it's going to, for now, and I've gone ahead and changed the style guide to reflect what I think is consensus that professions and races are common nouns. Do you think you could make bots to fix cases were these words are capitalized in the middle of sentences? Yes, I know you won't be able to think of all the words before you break for lunch, but you might get it started, and slowly, all professions and races will be covered. You might even make a template so we can flag words that you've missed.

BTW, as long as I'm here: I just lost everything I was writing you because I accidentally clicked on a link when I was done. Do you have the power to make sure the rich text editor doesn't do that? AngusM 22:07, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you really want to do this, then please find a way that won't shredder the links. Otherwise it will only create a huge mess od red dead-ends.--Tribun 22:09, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

This shouldn't be an issue. It's very easy to link a word or phrase that doesn't necessarily match the actual article name it's linking to. --Terilem 23:47, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Here's what I have as a list to change so far;

• Human
• Gargoyle
• Mage
• Fighter
• Goblin
• Daemon
• Bard
• Shepherd
• Dragon
• Ranger
• Wizard
• Paladin
• Druid
• Troll
• Tinker
• Gwani
• Emp
• Sorcerers
• Cyclops
• Blackrock

Add it here if you have some more.

RE red links: Shouldn't be a problem.

RE Rich text editor: 'Fraid I don't. Probably best to take that concern to Wikia Help. -- Fenyx4 16:06, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify, is it possible to isolate "blackrock" only when it's a standalone term? For instance, at this point we haven't reached a consensus on whether things like "Blackrock Serpent" should be de-capitalized, so it might be best to leave those for now.

Also, I don't think "Ophidian" should be on the list. They were a society of humans, not a race unto themselves; it would be like writing "Britannian" without a captial letter. --Terilem 17:38, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, excellent point. Too much UO playing makes me think of Ophidians as a race of snake creatures.

With something like this I'm planning on monitoring all the bots changes to catch stuff like "Blackrock Serpent" and stop them from being changed.

As a slight aside I thought people would be interested in this; GW2 Capitalization. I find it amusing they are having to do the same cleanup we are. :) -- Fenyx4 18:23, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Broken Ultima VII Quotes

Can you fix the Ultima VII lore Quotes? Some genius altered them and now instead of linking to the "Book of Fellowship", it links to the organisation. I hope I won't offend anyone by saying that this is quite a stupid screw-up.--Tribun 14:51, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ran FenyxBot over it to fix it. Just to be clear no one altered them from "The Book of Fellowship". They were always "Fellowship" but they were turned into links. Since they weren't links before no one noticed the ambiguity. Thank you for pointing this out but the vitriol was unnecessary. -- Fenyx4 16:53, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just that such things sometimes tend to make be go up the wall.--Tribun 16:59, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Then we have something in common, you and I. I suspect this also makes you kindred spirits with many other editors as well. What separates us, however, is that we are able to keep genteel restraint, even when we think someone has done something unnecessarily foolish, hamfisted or crude, and even when we feel it might suit our baser and more immediate emotions. AngusM 19:27, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tribun, it helps to take some humility from your own errors before rushing to lambaste others. We're all capable of mistakes and such abrasiveness is not productive. --Terilem 01:54, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Fenyx4, had an idea: What about a new template called "LoreBook?" The new LoreQuote template fixes the redlink problem within a page, but those red links are still on the "wanted pages" list. The LoreBook template could be specifically for in-game books (so, Text + Book Name + Author + Game). I think there are much fewer of these currently quoted on the Codex than actual rulebooks etc., so it would be less of a problem to hunt them down. What do you think? --Polygoncount 03:31, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I asked around and doing an #ifexists is equivalent to linking which is why it still shows up in the "wanted pages". I honestly sort of see this as a feature. Although I didn't like them being redlinks I was hesitant about changing it so they weren't since they are things that we might want articles about. This is sort of best of both worlds. Doesn't show up as a redlink in the article but still gives us a count of how many times we use it in the "wanted pages" putting some pressure on us to create those articles. -- Fenyx4 19:15, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

New Categories

Hey, noticed you added some new categories (Pages Needing Cleanup/Expert)... I seem to remember a "pages without images" category that was once easily-accessible from the "special pages" page... what happened to that? It was useful to go over them that way and see what needed help. --Polygoncount 20:49, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Category:Image_needed? I think you added images to nearly all of them! :)

Wow! I guess that's a good problem. For the future, though... --Polygoncount 21:17, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno for the future. I tried finding a way to list all pages without images but I didn't have any luck. I could have a bot run through and add the category to every page without an image but that might be a bit extreme. I dunno if EVERY page needs and image. -- Fenyx4 23:21, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, especially since there are lots of articles for which there simply aren't any pictures available in the gmes/manuals/etc., meaning that the banner is useless in these cases. So using the bot would only plaster the codex with banners that serve no use.--Tribun 23:26, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, not all image-less pages need images. I guess we'll continue to deal with them as they come up. --Polygoncount 03:32, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Making special pages

What does it take to make a special page? Special permission? I was thinking of taking Forum:Need_policy_on_capitalization_of_races_(and_I_guess_other_things) and putting it onto the talk page of a special page that would be a lexicon of proper nouns for the Codex. These things are currently on the style guide, but instead of bloating that article, I thought a separate lexicon would be a better idea. AngusM 04:52, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hrm, I'm not sure what you mean by special page. Like Special:SpecialPages? That requires installation of stuff on the wikia servers. That is probably out of our reach. If it is a list could it be put on something like Ultima_Codex:Lexicon? -- Fenyx4 05:18, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I would have called it the "Noun Lexicon". In that case, consider it requested. AngusM 05:26, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Are you unable to create Ultima_Codex:Noun Lexicon yourself? I think anyone should have permissions to create Project pages. I'll go ahead and create it just in case you can't. -- Fenyx4 05:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I guess I'm not, but I just don't know how. Thanks, that's good enough. AngusM 15:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Toggling italics

I was wondering about italicized words that are embedded in italicized sentences. Isn't the proper way to do this by toggling the italics? That would mean that a mention of a game (which is usually italicized) which appears in a creature infobox caption (which are italicized by default) should be de-italicized, right? AngusM 01:48, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's the case. A non-italicized title within an otherwise italicized sentence looks strange to me, and Wikipedia doesn't do it this way either. For example, see the hatnote at the top of this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars --Terilem 03:01, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Proper English-wise I think AngusM is right. I've even done it some places. Think I was fairly consistently doing it for Template:Otheruses like on Sam's article... However I can't find any sources stating that it is the actual proper way. Just supporting fiction books doing it that way. -- Fenyx4 04:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I stand corrected and I did find a couple of sources saying it, as well. I just assumed Wikipedia would have been following general English rules. --Terilem 04:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

So did we want to stick with proper English on this? I'm leaning to "yes". -- Fenyx4 04:51, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

No arguments from me! --Terilem 04:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I changed how the italics for the Creature infobox's caption works so it should now be correct. I also changed how the Ultima IV NPC infobox's caption does it. I'll change the rest after some sleep. -- Fenyx4 05:21, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ultima IV NPCs

Great job on the Ultima IV NPCs. I noticed you missed the Ultima IV gate guard, and I would have added him, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to add anything to your Ultima IV lists. Any hints? Dungy 19:16, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Also, because I'm an idiot, I forgot to change the name of my Avatar from the standard one that came with my version of Ultima IV. His name is Pissy Ey. Whoops! If anyone is too offended by this, I'll upload new screenshots, of course that'll take awhile. I'll change the name in the future. Dungy 22:46, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I just wasn't sure how to do the guards. Especially in Yew which has three "a guard"s.

Add it to the lists on the city pages? Just add the npc with an NPC Infobox and make sure to specify the location. It'll automagically show up in the list. Maybe not immediately. Need to wait for it to run through the job queue. If you need to speed it up you can edit the city page and save it with no changes. -- Fenyx4 01:08, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for helping with the U4 stuff! I'm excited to have the NPCs wrapped up. -- Fenyx4 01:16, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

CategoryTree Extension

Hey Fenyx, I'm not sure if you're the one to ask about this, but maybe you know who to ask at Wikia. I've noticed that we have the CategoryTree extension installed. However, as you can see in the NPCs by Species page, its configured to show only subcategories when the "+" symbol is clicked. However, it would be a lot more useful to have it cofigured by default to show all pages under that category, as well as the subcategories. Otherwise, I find the extension kind of useless. If we did have this enabled, it would be easier to check stuff in subcategories, without having to jump back and forth to the subcategories pages. And I don't really see any points against enabling that configuration (constant CT_MODE_ALL I think) as the default one. What do you think?--Sega381 18:45, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm asking around about this. So far I haven't gotten any positive replies. I did notice that WCPedia uses them like this. It's pretty nice (expand Kilrathi). My concern would be for categories with a LOT of pages in them. Category:Human for example would be pretty crazy expanded like that. Aaand I just realized I could check it out on the test I made User:Fenyx4/Sandbox. Looks like it just stops listing them after a certain amount. So, not useful for large categories. But to me it still seems useful for small categories. Hopefully we can get it set up. -- Fenyx4 04:22, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Special:CategoryTree - Someone pointed this out on the forums. Not what you are asking for but still useful to know about. -- Fenyx4 04:47, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! BTW, I think I noticed that a parameter ($wgCategoryTreeMaxChildren) can be configured to say how many items can a node show after being expanded, which has a default value of 200. So we may be able change that default configuration to allow for more items to be displayed. We may have to configure it to stop after a certain amount anyway, maybe higher than 200; we should have to test if it is reasonable to have 1000 humans listed in the expansion of the node. But if we have few really big categories, it's not a big deal. Thanks again, and do tell me if it you can get it working.--Sega381 16:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe now that we have our own site we could enable this behaviour? Please?--Sega381 17:54, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

Lazarus infoboxing

THANK YOU for sorting out all that infobox stuff. I realize that's a huge job. We'll soon have photos for every NPC from Ultima IV to Ultima IX. I can't believe I've added close to 800 images to the wiki over the last month and a half. Dungy 17:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Fenyxbot took a lot of the pain out of it. You've been doing a crazy amount of stuff! -- Fenyx4 19:09, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I've had WAY too much free time the last month. That will all come crashing to an end soon enough, and then I'll be back to my usual post rate. Dungy 19:17, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

The whole new skin thing

The whole new skin thing at wikia is even bigger. Whole wikias are already leaving and I have to admit that it pretty much shoots everything to hell. Many already are creating a mirror at ShoutWiki, which looks like a good alternative. What do you think about it? I for one have already decided to leave, should this shit get forced on us.--Tribun 12:46, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Admin rights

Fenyx, I was wandering, if you do have admin privileges, why do you not show up as an Admin in the Special:ListUsers page?--Sega381 16:22, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Weird, I have no idea. Special:UserRights still lists me as an admin and I can still delete stuff too. -- Fenyx4 20:15, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Wikia is trying to put down unruly admins? :)--Sega381 20:37, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Edits

I can't find our old conversation on this. I do recall that we seemed to have reached consensus on disallowing anonymous edits. (IIRC I was the only dissenting voice. :) ) Since we don't have to rely on wikia for changing it anymore I did go ahead and disallow anonymous edits when I set the wiki up. -- Fenyx4 09:09, 30 October 2010 (PDT)

Personally, I think we should give anonymous editors a try. We get vandalism less than once or twice a week, and that's not so difficult to clean up. Also, allowing eeditting anonymously encourages people to start up at the wiki. I probably never would have started if I had had to register. Dungy 05:51, 31 October 2010 (PDT)

Dungy

I'm certainly open to reopening a discussion on this. The above is precisely why I'm not a fan of it. I believe the arguments for it involved stopping spam (which I don't think has been a big problem). And requiring accountability. Giving us the ability to have someone to go to and ask "Why they heck did you do that?" :) -- Fenyx4 14:00, 31 October 2010 (PDT)

As we have a brand new site, I think we should leave anonymous edits enabled, at least for a while. We should disable them only if we do see a lot of spam, or a lot of controversial anonymous edits. Thaat's my opinion at least.--Sega381 16:30, 31 October 2010 (PDT)

Really wish I could find the old discussion on this.... But if no one speaks up in support of disallowing anonymous edits I will allow them again. -- Fenyx4 12:14, 3 November 2010 (PDT)

I've re-enabled anonymous edits. :) -- Fenyx4 13:05, 5 November 2010 (PDT)

Activity feed

Hey Fenyx, I was wondering if it would be possible to have an Activity Feed more like what we had at Wikia? I know the Recent Changes page is pretty much the same thing, though I can't help but find it a little overwhelming to read through, as much as I've tried to adjust. Its format is certainly less legible and user-friendly.

I'd welcome others chiming in here to discuss whether or not there's a need for this to be changed. --Terilem 20:02, 8 November 2010 (PST)

Chaning the "Editable Codex" namespace

Hi Fenyx, any idea how hard will be to change the "Editable Codex" prefix/namespace thingy? Every time I do an edit, I have to see "Please note that all contributions to Editable Codex are considered to be released under the Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (see Editable Codex:Copyrights for details)."... and we're not the Editable Codex by now. This might confuse new contributors too. Thanks!--Sega381 05:39, 15 November 2010 (PST)

Okay, I'm gonna try this. Did we ever talk about what we should change it to? I feel like we did but I can't find the discussion... "Ultima Wisdom" seems good to me. -- Fenyx4 08:24, 8 March 2011 (PST)

I don't think we ever talked much about it. I had thought "Ultima Codex", being more similar to "Editable Codex", as what we changed from the last name was "Editable" to "Ultima". I think I prefer this to "Ultima Wisdom", by I think anything is preferable to "Editable Codex".--Sega381 12:06, 8 March 2011 (PST)

My vote goes to "Ultima Codex" Dungy 12:12, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Well that wasn't nearly as bad as I feared. Didn't have to jump through nearly as many hoops as I did when fixing the forums. Hopefully I caught everything. -- Fenyx4 14:41, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Great, thanks!--Sega381 17:31, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Create new page

As per the discussion here: http://www.ultimaaiera.com/blog/back-to-roots-progress-report/comment-page-1/#comment-7210 It might be useful to have a "Create new page" link in the toolbox on the left-hand pane, since it seems new users can find that troublesome.

I added it the best way I could figure out quickly. -- Fenyx4 07:10, 7 December 2010 (PST)

Spambots

Fenyx, I've noticed (as you probably had, too) that we have started to get a lot (compared to what we had on Wikia) of spam lately. Besides the repeated attempts to create the index.php page by an anonymous user, now we have spambots creating users to add spam.

Given the fact that blocking anonymous users won't be enough (and won't be useful for now if the spambot comes and creates a new user), I think we should add some measure to prevent spambots from registering, such as a captcha or the like. And maybe, if it seems necessay, also block anonymous users, but for some reason spambots are starting to like us, and I wouldn't want this to get out of hand.

Thanks!--Sega381 13:52, 9 December 2010 (PST)

The index.php was solved by protecting those pages. I think we should test blocking first (it also blocks the ip addresses) and see if that solves our problem with registered spambots. If not then I can look into a captcha or the like.

On the bright side if we're getting hit by bots that must mean we're starting to show up in search engine, right? :) -- Fenyx4 14:07, 9 December 2010 (PST)

Yes, it seems today there's a surge of spambots. Assuming that this is a trend, and not a sporadic event, I wonder what would attract spambots to here and not Wikia. Wikia certain has an awful lot of material, so it's not like it's something that spammers wouldn't be interested in. I would guess that it's a matter of Wikia just being very spam-resistant, while the engine here is known to be weak, at least w/its default configuration. Could the clue be in configuration? CAPTCHA's a good one, but I'd think there could be others (IP-banning, for instance). The Ultra-Mind 14:19, 9 December 2010 (PST)

I'd be happy with a CAPTCHA type check for anonymous users. It won't seriously deter them and it'll hurt spambots. Still we'll see what happens in the next few days. Also, hurray for getting more popular with search engines. I recently emailed one or two wares site people and got them to change their links to us and not the old site. I know they're evil software pirates, but now they're evil software pirates who are helping us, which makes them slightly less evil.  :) Dungy 14:23, 9 December 2010 (PST)

Ok, let's see how this goes. Wikia does have a CAPTCHA when registering a new user. I'm not sure how effective IP banning is, unless the spambots are limited to a few IP address. But let's see how things evolve.--Sega381 09:29, 10 December 2010 (PST)

Two more of these §/)/(/&"# spambots, and it looks they are coming from the same source. Can you please block the IP and delete these spambot accounts? No one will think any less of you if you erase these spam accounts.--Tribun 13:02, 10 December 2010 (PST)

Well, blocking the IP doesn't seem to be slowing them down much at all as Sega381 was worried about. I'll look into installing a CAPTCHA. -- Fenyx4 13:24, 10 December 2010 (PST)

Unregistered edits and creating an account now require people to reCaptcha. -- Fenyx4 13:40, 10 December 2010 (PST)

Guess it doesn't work. There is another one.--Tribun 14:00, 10 December 2010 (PST)

• Sigh* By now I'm counting 10 spambots and they start to clog up the member list. Can't you just erase these accounts?--Tribun 10:36, 13 December 2010 (PST)

I want to hold off on deleting them until I figure out a way to stop them from being created. But hey at least they aren't messing up pages anymore. -- Fenyx4 12:17, 13 December 2010 (PST)

But how awesome it makes our wiki look with all this activity! :P 14:50, 13 December 2010 (PST)

Spambots have increased a lot this last few days. I'm not sure how, as we have a captcha for new accounts. Any ideas on what to do? It's getting a little tiresome.--Sega381 20:25, 4 June 2011 (PDT)

We should temporarily lock picture upload, account creation and article creation for non-members. This might not be ideal, but if they can't do anything (no new dummy account, no pictures therefore and no anonymus articles) this hopefully can make it go away.--Tribun 04:57, 5 June 2011 (PDT)

I'd rather not do anything as extreme as shutting out all outsiders. Defeats the purpose of a wiki if we don't let new people in. Even as a temporary solution this is no good as the spambots would just be there whenever we open it back up. Especially now as we've got all the cool Ultima news coming out we should be attracting new peeps. These bots aren't even doing that much damage. They are just annoying.

I'll keep adding more spam detection stuff until they go away. -- Fenyx4 22:53, 5 June 2011 (PDT)

A Request

Before you have too much to do, can you run Fenyxbot to infobox all Ultima IX NPCs, now that they are all done? It would be horrible work to do it all manually.--Tribun 04:26, 24 December 2010 (PST)

Taken care of. Dungy 16:37, 5 February 2011 (PST)

Access

Fenyx, we haven't seen you around for awhile, and I've been wanting to make a few changes under the hood, like editing the footer, and a few other minor things. I was wondering how one could go about getting permissions to make some of those changes. I'll try really hard not to break the wiki. I promise! Dungy 16:55, 3 February 2011 (PST)

I think it would be best if we got around to actually doing the voting to get a new bureaucrat and we can talk to WTF about giving who ever gets voted in ftp access. I'm just really hesitant to give that kind of access since irreparable damage can be done from in there.

And sorry for not being around. Life has just been all... lifey. -- Fenyx4 17:45, 3 February 2011 (PST)

I understand lifeyness. I don't even particularly want to be a bureaucrat, since I'm not very experienced with such activities, and I'd be very apprehensive about destroying everything. I just want to fix up that footer and a few other minor things that haven't quite been fixed or settled in right since we've moved to our new home. If someone better than me handled it, I'd be all for it. Also, the whole moving the Ultima VI Online wiki to a new home thing, got me thinking about about possibilities. Dungy 17:52, 3 February 2011 (PST)

Spell article's name poll

Hey there, I think you may want to contribute to the Forum:POLL: Spell article's merging policy. Thanks!--Sega381 17:03, 6 March 2011 (PST)

I remember you

You're that guy who used to hang out here. Dungy 09:09, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Eeek! They found me! *hides* -- Fenyx4 09:17, 8 March 2011 (PST)

NPC infobox templates separated by game

Fenyx, one question: for some reason, we have several different infoboxes for the NPCs of the different games. In your sandbox, I see you have different mock up spell infoboxes too for different games. Why is that? I can't really see, in your sandbox for example, the necessity of having a different template for game. This is true for the NPCs too; in the spells, there may be some parameters that don't apply to one game, but I think all the NPC infobox templates are basically the same. So, what is it that I'm missing that prompted you to create all this different templates depending on the game, instead of one, unified template?--Sega381 12:17, 8 March 2011 (PST)

The thought was that there would be significant differences between the NPC infoboxes but they never manifested. Classes, hitpoints, keywords, different portrait sizes, a link to their entire dialogue tree... Portrait sizes were a major reason towards separating them as that was going to be defaulted differently for each game and wasn't something I wanted people to have to be concerned about but then that ended up being taken out. *sigh*

But having them in separate templates also makes some things more efficient. If the U4 NPC template is changed then it only causes all the U4 NPC pages to need updating and not all the NPCs. If something across all the templates needs changing then I could stagger the changes so it didn't hit everything at once. And it made DPL easier to deal with and more efficient. And when it came right down to it if it turned out we needed the versatility of having separate templates then we don't have to go back and change every NPC.

I dunno if I'd do the same thing again though. My sandbox was definitely just an experiment. But since spells definitely have differences between games I decided to take a stab at separate templates again. I think I got a bit better at it though. Each separate spell template uses the Template:Infobox/Spell_Base. That does remove some of the advantages (i.e. if Spell Base is changed then all spell pages need updating) but it removed the really annoying maintenance hassle of having to propagate every minor change to each template while at the same time keeping the advantages of versatility (i.e. if Game Y needs an option that Games A-X don't need then A-X's templates aren't cluttered up) and it keeps DPL happy. -- Fenyx4 14:07, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Ok, I think I understand. I guess I'm not familiar enough with DPL to easily notice that advantages, but I see what you mean. Thanks!--Sega381 16:34, 8 March 2011 (PST)

Nice find!

Nice job finding that artwork. Pity there wasn't a copy of the NES Ultima V or Runes of Virtue boxcovers. I believe (maybe incorrectly) that they were drawn by the same individual. Dungy 12:02, 1 April 2011 (PDT)

I have good news for you then! I actually came across the artist via some collectible cards. The cards have NES Ultima V and at least one of the Runes of Virtue's boxcovers. When I can get access to a scanner I'll be uploading those too. -- Fenyx4 12:09, 1 April 2011 (PDT)

Ah-ha! I knew those cards existed. I see them on Ebay from time to time. Love to see the scans when you get the chance.Dungy 13:23, 1 April 2011 (PDT)

Little Request

A request: In your talk page (and propably the archive) are several old "Editable Codex" links. Can you please correct these, so that they aren't broken? I don't want to tinker with your talk page (unlike article talk pages).--Tribun 13:44, 3 June 2011 (PDT)

All better! Thanks Tribun. -- Fenyx4 14:45, 3 June 2011 (PDT)

Interwiki table logs

Maybe I missed this discussion, but what are they? How do they work? They sure sounds impressive at least. Dungy 04:27, 30 June 2011 (PDT)

No discussion to miss I was just poking around. :)

It is shorthand for linking to other wikis. So, say I want to link to Dralthi on WCPedia. Instead of typing out the entire URL I just need to do [[wcp:Dralthi]] and I'll get wcp:Dralthi. It also gets rid of that external link arrow and, if WCPedia were to ever move, we just change the interwiki table and all the links get updated.

I also added one for UOGuide e.g. [[uog:Poisoning|Poisoning]] -> Poisoning. I'm playing with the idea of shoving a little message in the upper rigthand corner of UO related pages Template:Uoguide. But that disrupts the page too much. Maybe a banner across the top like on out disambig page (see James). Or I might just stick See Also sections on all the pages. -- Fenyx4 05:55, 30 June 2011 (PDT)

Broken Article

When I try to access Ultima Generation, I get this error message:

"A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "". Database returned error "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (internal-db.s55109.gridserver.com)"."

Any idea what causes it?--Tribun 06:06, 3 July 2011 (PDT)

I get the same problem. Bizarre.Dungy 06:34, 3 July 2011 (PDT)

Even stranger, whe editing it, there stuff is all still there, it just can't be accessed the normal way. I have too little experience with this stuff to guess what is going on. Maybe Fenyx has to ask our administrator for help.--Tribun 17:55, 3 July 2011 (PDT)

Should be fixed. -- Fenyx4 07:51, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

It's fixed. Fenyx, if I may ask, what had been broken?--Tribun 08:49, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

I believe due to our increased traffic an SQL query stepped on the toes of another. This caused it to enter into a locked protective state. I gave it a shove to get it to leave the protective state and tweaked a setting to (hopefully) keep it from happening again. At least until our traffic increases a lot more. -- Fenyx4 20:47, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

Just a heads-up: I've been getting this same error for several days when I try to edit Template:Infobox/NPC/Ultima II to update the caption formatting. --Terilem 00:26, 20 July 2011 (PDT)

Okay! So first the outage the last few hours was due to the hosting service upgrading us from MySQL 4 to MySQL 5. Which shoulda gone off without a hitch but ended up causing the i10n table to freak out. I seem to have sorted that out though. *cross fingers*

And in the process of all this the problem with the Infobox also got sorted. -- Fenyx4 12:21, 22 July 2011 (PDT)

Abacus

Hiya Fenyx,

I noticed you just did an entry for abacus, and wondered if you would like a write up of how the abacus works in the Ultima 4 Character creation system?

I'd love to see that! -- Fenyx4 18:01, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

New banner template

Hi Fenyx, I was thinking perhaps it would be good to have a new template for a "consensus required" banner. AngusM raised a good point about this recently as well. Speaking for myself, there are a lot of times where I'd like to draw attention to an issue for discussion but it doesn't feel appropriate to use the expert verification banner, since there isn't anything that needs to be verified, per se. Perhaps Expert-verify could even be changed to Consensus, since it allows for a broader range of situations. What do you think? --Terilem 08:48, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of the consensus banner. I'm ambivalent about just changing the expert to it vs. having a different one. The ambivalence might be a good sign that just changing would be best though. :) If no one complains soon I'll go ahead and do that. -- Fenyx4 19:27, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Things Fenyx needs to fix after the move

Not everything is perfect yet;

• DPL replaceintitle breaks things

• I've simply removed the replaceintitle in Template:NPC list for now. That will make stuff in () show up in the lists until I can get it fixed.

• Sidebar

• Cleaned this up some

• Install a Rich Text Editor

• Installed one

• Edit counts

• Found error in revision table

• Galleries

• Now displaying but needs some formatting improvement

• Changing the "Editable Codex" namespace to something not too wordy but more related to the current name (Ultima Codex? Codex of Ultima?)
• My Home
• A better search extension (MWSearch(Lucene), Sphynx, or/and OpenSearchXML)
• Video links
• Forum
• Tables

• This should be fixed but you might have to do a full refresh (ctrl-f5 in firefox) for it to show up immediately. The tables aren't matching the old ones exactly but I sorta like 'em better this way. If people want it adjusted further let me know and I can keep messing with the css.

• Show/Hide in tables
• Remove the Template:Moving from articles
• Fix gif thumbnails
• Page Creation box on main page
• RecentChanges to match our old Recentchanges
• Title bar
• Favicon
• Changing/Merging usernames
• Renameuser extension

--

If you see a page missing please use Wikia's Export to export and Special:Import to import it (or just let me know and I'll do it). I wouldn't be surprised if somethings got missed due to the crappy way I had to do the move thanks to Wikia not updated the dump. I know the page count is WAY off. But I think that is either due to a counting error, it hasn't fully caught up with all the imports, or it counts differently than Wikia. Fenyx4 09:44, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

I noticed a serious bug with gif-files. If they are shrinked, then they seem to make some colors (especially black) transparent. Can be seen for example here : List of Timegate Locations.

EDIT: Two more points:

• The tutorial link on the main page still points to wikia.
• Page creation box above it is broken.--Tribun 10:04, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Dang it. I'd hoped that gif problem was something limited to home server and that a full fledged webserver wouldn't suffer from the problem. I'll look into it.

Removing references to wikia is fun everyone can join in on! :)

If people want to see something amusing check out the Job queue on Special:Statistics. Slowly working through a 14k long list! Fenyx4 10:17, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

What is really sad, is :User talk:Fenyx4 is the 2nd most viewed page on this wiki. Dungy 10:54, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

FYI: Currently importing new files requires administrator status. That should probably be changed. Also, can I be an admin on the new site. Please? Please? Pretty Please? Dungy 17:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, you are quite enthusiastic, aren't you? I for my part don't really have use for too much power, but some kind of recognition, now that we are free of wikia, would be nice (is there something alse besides admins?).Btw., I noticed that the geography navigation isn't yet collapsable.--Tribun 10:58, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Mainly, I'd love the ability to delete pages. It means I could fix my own mistakes instead of always relying on Fenyx to do it for me. Dungy 11:07, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Also, uploading is curently disabled. Once that gets fixed, I have a ton of new Ultima IX NPC photos to upload. :P

Yeah. Uhm, if we are unable to fix the gif-bug (however THAT happened), the only alternative would be to convert all of them to png (to prevent loss) and re-upload them and changing all links. I sincerely hope however, that it won't come to that.--Tribun 11:15, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Sad? User talk:Fenyx4 being the 2nd most viewed page isn't sad. It's awesome! ;)

Doh. Sorry about the import problem. I'll try to figure out who to change the permissions on that. Enabling upload was easy though. Let me know if you are still having problems with that.

Figuring out some sort of admin nomination thingy was on my list of things to do after we made the move! Thanks for bringing it up. Umm... But I dunno what is typically done. And besides "get some sort of consensus" I dunno what to do. So, we'd have to dig into it and figure out how we want to deal with that. By default there is Admin, Bureaucrat, and Bot. There are ways to make more... but I don't even know what the difference is between Admin and Bureaucrat. I'm gonna keep working on polishing this move up before I start looking at though. But I'd love if someone starting figuring out how we want to do it.

Yeah... gif thing is really bothering me too. I notice the Job queue has gone up. Wonder if part of that queue is generating thumbnails... Hrm... Fenyx4 11:31, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Thumbnails are in the process of getting fixed. Flushing out all the ones it already made incorrectly is taking awhile but it should be done soon. Fenyx4 12:18, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Okay, done with the gif thumbnails. If you see any bad ones still lurking out there let me know. Oh look the job queue is back up to 15k. :) Fenyx4 12:41, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Yes, we'll have to do something about new admins in order to help Fenyx. And BTW, having only one admin is dangerous... no one to control Fenyx :). No, I mean at Wikia we had some Wikia admins in case something happened to the regular admins, but here, if Fenyx is sick or on leave, we're left without an admin... Btw, I think WTF should be an admin, even if it is honorary, as he's hosting the site and all...--Sega381 17:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

It's true the power is going straight to my head. We must put checks and balances in place before I decide to, say, force a skin on you guys with fixed width and a crappy interface!

I should really go dig into how other wikis do nominations 'n' elections 'n' stuff. I know the people I'd like to make admins but I want the community to make the choice not me. Fenyx4 00:20, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Yep, that would be good. In the wikis I've participated as an admin, usually one of the admins proposes a new candidate, and all the admins give their votes. After that, when a consensus is reached, admin powers are given to the candidate. However, seeing as we have only one admin here, this process doesn't make much sense, so if you can find how some other wikis do it, it would be great.

Given the fact that we don't have an admin, an idea would be that the admin(s) propose one or more admin candidates, send messages to all users about the nomination, and leave the nomination up for votes and discussions on all the community members that want to participate. After, I don't know, a couple of weeks, the admin(s) collect the votes and discussion and make a descision. I'm just making this up here, but it seems like a logical idea to me.--Sega381 06:04, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Yep, it works! Can you tell us what the engine screwed up, resulting in the mrangled gifs? Oh, btw., I noticed that tables have a light-gray instead of white background. Can you tweak that (Can also be seen on the timegate destination page).--Tribun 12:43, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Title bar - Currently the title is "The Codex of Editable Wisdom, a Wikia wiki for Ultima and Ultima Online". Could you please remove the Wikia part? Also, a lot of people seemed to like the "Codex of Ultima Wisdom", so you might want to change Editable to Ultima. Dungy 12:49, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

Whatever method it was using to make the thumbs was just doing it wrong. I don't know why it was making black transparent. And I'm not even sure what it was using to resize them. But there was an option to use ImageMagick instead. So, I turned that on and then deleted all the thumbs generated so far to force it to remake them.

The table formatting problems is already on my list. Changed it to be a bit clearer. Fenyx4 12:55, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

How did I miss this for so long: all the galleries are broken. Guess this needs to get a top spot for fixing.--Tribun 16:43, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

I for one just didn't see any of the pages we use the gallery tag on. :) MediaWiki has that tag by default but it just differs slightly in the usage on Wikia. Fenyx4 00:20, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Figured out RecentChanges! Just go into Special:Preferences->Recent changes and check "Use enhanced recent changes (requires JavaScript)" and the click "Save". -- Fenyx4 00:42, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Galleries are still a little bit broken. They're only displaying a maximum of 4 per row, and there seems to be a large white blank space around each image. This makes the Lost Vale gallery take up a frightening amount of excess space. Dungy 05:33, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Any chance of getting something like My Home from Wikia over here? I know there's Recent Changes, but it is a bit difficult to easily and quickly look over for changes. --Warder Dragon 14:31, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Hehe, I never used "My Home".... I always thought that Recent Changes was easier and more efficient :)--Sega381 16:52, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

Oog, I never used My Home either. I think it was solely a Wikia developed thing. I'll add it to my list and see if I can find something similar though. -- Fenyx4 07:39, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

Thanks to WoWPedia I tracked down a good Youtube extension. It needed a bit of tweaking to allow you to specify the width and height but it works now (I hope). The weird [[Video: links don't work anymore (although as far as I can tell we only used that in one place). So you we have to use the <youtube>. You can see it in action in Main_Page/featuredmedia. -- Fenyx4 07:39, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

I found serious Wikia remains in the references of the Compainons, also Most of these references seem to be utterly useless. I don't dare to tinker with it, so can you cleanse them?--Tribun 06:24, 29 October 2010 (PDT)

Good point. I know how to fix that, I'll get on that.--Sega381 10:17, 29 October 2010 (PDT)

I know this doesn't belong here, but I don't know where else to write it: I updated all the links on Wikipedia to our new home, eliminating all mention of the old Codex.--Tribun 13:13, 29 October 2010 (PDT)

In my never ending quest to cleanse the codex of orphaned pages, I've noticed a number of Ultima IV NPC pages are incorrectly appearing as orphaned when they are not. Dungy 14:49, 23 November 2010 (PST)

Rich Text Editor

Okay, I installed one. You should now see a "Rich Editor" link above the edit window that let's you enable it. Definitely not the same as the one on Wikia (I think they forked awhile back). I messed with it a bit and this one doesn't seem as feature rich... But I never used the Rich Editor on Wikia. People use the Rich Editor does this meet your needs? -- Fenyx4 06:55, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

Search Function

I was wondering if it is possible to install a better search function. One thing I liked about wikia is when you started a search function, it gave you a list of available files that started with the same letters. Also, the current function can't find "sea serpents" when you do a search for "sea serpent". Not very good. Dungy 17:07, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

We're probably using the default search. There are several more. Wikia uses, according to the Special:Version page, "Wikia Search (Version 0.1)", " cross-Wikia search engine using Solr backend". According to our Special:Version page, we are using... none, which is the default. Wowpedia recommends "MWSearch (and Lucene-search)" and "OpenSearchXml" (they have installed the latter in their new site). There is an interesting article about "Why MediaWiki's Site Search Stinks" you may want to read about. They also recommend MWSearch (Lucene), and another one called Sphynx.--Sega381 17:50, 28 October 2010 (PDT)

Thanks for tracking these down! Sorry I haven't had a chance to peek at them yet. But trust me they are definitely next on my list. -- Fenyx4 09:09, 30 October 2010 (PDT)

Turns out this is a bit more involved than other extensions. Requiring you to actually run extra services on the server. I think I'm going to demo it on my local machine and then I'll have to discuss with WTF about the possibilities of doing this with his hosting. -- Fenyx4 14:00, 31 October 2010 (PDT)

I got one part of Dungy's request. The auto-complete should now be working. -- Fenyx4 17:24, 2 November 2010 (PDT)

Japanese Ports

Seeing that you right now are making pictures and videos of the FM-Towns versions, do you have access to the Sharp x68000 version of Ultima V. From the few shots I saw, the dungeon graphics of the port are damn good, but it is nearly impossible to get good shots.--Tribun 10:26, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

I don't have access to it now but I'll try poking around and see what I can find. -- Fenyx4 10:37, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

I've gotten it up and running. Is there anything specific you'd like some screenshots or video of? -- Fenyx4 11:32, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

Just three or four shots of each of the three dungeon types, best with enemies and things like doors and fountains. They'd do good to show the graphical differences.--Tribun 13:26, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

Wow, it's impressive how different the same amount of colors looks at double the resolution. Thanks for the shots (although the moongate picture seems to be broken and far too big).--Tribun 10:43, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

Weird what happened to the moongate image. I'll have to reupload it later. -- Fenyx4 10:59, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

A little request: could you please also upload the actual intros of FM-Towns Ultima IV and V? I curious to see how they look in VGA.--Tribun 17:35, 6 February 2012 (PST)

Case insensitive searches and links

Is it possible to make inter-wiki links and searches using the search box case-insensitive. Can I use "Lord british" to link to Lord British? Using the search box would be easier for everyone if you didn't have to properly capitalize everything. I mean, we'd still have to use proper capitalization in all of our articles, it'd just make finding and linking articles easier for everyone. Dungy 16:38, 14 August 2011 (PDT)

Yeah, that would be incredibly handy. It does get somewhat frustrating always having to rewrite multi-word article titles in common form when linking to them in the context of a sentence. Kinda makes me wish we didn't have strictly capitalized titles. --Terilem 16:58, 14 August 2011 (PDT)

I'm afraid I don't know of any way to change this. It is a fairly low level code in mediawiki and, to my knowledge, there isn't a simple setting that I can change. -- Fenyx4 12:37, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

Spammers

Seriously, the spammer problem gets way out of hand and they by now have polluted our user database. We really have to find a way to keep them out (and maybe you can dispose of all these spammer accounts, as they have no worth at all).--Tribun 11:53, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

We already have a captcha on account creation. Enforce the creation of an account to upload images. Have an extension designed to stop bots. And have preemptively blocked over 140 thousand IP addresses. If you have any suggestions I'd gladly consider them.

The spammer accounts do have worth I'm afraid. They're blocked. If I delete them they would no longer be blocked thus allowing the spammers back in. Could you explain what your precise problem with having them around is? Although deleting them isn't an option perhaps I could find a solution to your actual issue with them. -- Fenyx4 12:37, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

I have a problem how they bog down the user list. Maybe you can make blocked accounts invisible, meaning they no longer appear on the list?--Tribun 12:49, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

That I think I can do. -- Fenyx4 13:31, 19 August 2011 (PDT)

Just seeing what happened the previous days: How did these spammers manage to get through? I thought only registered people (which can only be allowed by the admin) can create new pages?--Tribun (talk) 12:31, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Because they are a plague upon us. -- Fenyx4 12:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

FM Towns Intro Translations

Hey, there; just a notice that the first three intros to the FM Towns games have been translated here. I'll get on the ones for U4 and 5. RACapowski 19:45, 28 August 2011 (PDT)

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I've posted links to the translations on the videos I uploaded. I'll try to annotate them up later. -- Fenyx4 07:25, 30 August 2011 (PDT)

Long time coming, but the U4 & U5 intros (as well as, for odd reasons, the Japanese translation of Garriott's 1-2-3 Trilogy welcome note) are done, posted at the same URL. 74.75.238.32 19:24, 10 October 2011 (PDT)

Dang it, that was me. RACapowski 19:26, 10 October 2011 (PDT)

Not updated categories

While experimenting with not being logged in, I noticed that ALLcategories were recently (~2 months) where articles had been added were not updated, meaning a user that isn't logged in doesn't see the new articles. This seems to be a much bigger problem so is there a way to flush the cache so that it is forced to show the newest version?--Tribun 15:47, 13 December 2011 (PST)

I noticed the same thing yesterday, but forgot to post about it. Dungy 16:51, 13 December 2011 (PST)

Can I make a request? Could you please program a bot to purge the cache of all categories and pages (would that be difficult?) so that anonymus users can get the updated lists and pages? I just noticed the problem again and think something should be done.--Tribun 18:11, 26 December 2012 (PST)

I'm hoping that updating the wiki to a newer version will help with that. Just need to get my lazy ass around to doing that. -- Fenyx4 18:15, 26 December 2012 (PST)

It's getting out of hand

Fenyx, we really need to do something about the spammers. We now have five spambots a day. Please, can you make it that new accounts have to be approved by the admins first (f.e. Dungy) before they are activated? I think our real users would understand.--Tribun 10:49, 28 December 2011 (PST)

Seconded. I havn't seen anyone make a new account just to make a minor edit in quite a while. Spammers are bad, m'kay.--Browncoat Jayson 11:24, 28 December 2011 (PST)

I have to reluctantly agree. When there was 1 or 2 spam messages a week I could deal with it, but now it's like 3 or 4 a day. This is getting obnoxious. Dungy 14:19, 28 December 2011 (PST)

Fourthed. (Quartered? And Drawn?) --polygoncount (Polygon Dragon -==(UDIC)==-) 00:21, 29 December 2011 (PST)

I've e-mailed Fenyx, hopefully he reads it.--Tribun 06:20, 29 December 2011 (PST)

Thanks for the e-mail but I do get e-mailed every-time there is an edit on my discussion page.

I tried grabbing a new blacklisted ip list yesterday but messed up and ran out of time.

Anyways I've turned off account creation for now to stop the deluge we've had. I'll try to get to the blacklist soon. Maybe set up an automated process to grab a new one every week.

I still oppose having a walled garden (but I understand that I'm not active on here so my vote doesn't hold much weight). But even though I've turned off account creation for now to stop the deluge the discussion is still open. And there are hopefully still other options. We've been hit hard before and I've managed to decrease it then. -- Fenyx4 07:08, 29 December 2011 (PST)

First thanks that you've stopped the flood of spammers. As for "walled garden", I've been on numerous wikis and boards already where it was normal that a new account had to be manually activated by an admin. It's just to keep out spambots and considering how small our community is, I don't see much of a problem with it.--Tribun 07:43, 29 December 2011 (PST)

We could also ask ourselves what damage is really being done by them. I don't have to deal w/the annoyance of docking these guys on a multi-daily basis, but the only wrong I feel is that it is offensive to us and our precious wiki. The way I see it, what's important is that readers don't see the spams. It'd wager that not a single user has seen any.

I am curious as to how they pull it off, though. We have CAPTCHAs in place, don't we? Are they defeated by bots because they are too weak or are there sweat-shops in Asia dedicated to answering each and every one of them? The Ultra-Mind 15:33, 29 December 2011 (PST)

Just got ConfirmAccount extension working. Admins will have to check Special:ConfirmAccounts to actually let people in.

As Tribun said it will hopefully keep the spambots out. I still don't like it though. Maybe it is a weakness in my character but when I come across something like this on other wikis I typically turn the other way and don't look back. On the Wing Commander one it was over 24 before they confirmed and I'd forgotten what I was going to fix on there.... I need to figure how to get this extension to e-mail me when someone makes a request... -- Fenyx4 08:27, 28 January 2012 (PST)

Okay, I've got it e-mail me now. I might be able add more e-mails if other admins would like notifications. -- Fenyx4 08:37, 28 January 2012 (PST)

Problem with picture update

There seems to be a problem when updating pictures. Sometimes after the upload, the wiki refuses to show the new picture and still uses the old one. Could you please look into that? Seems to be a cache problem.--Tribun 06:04, 8 January 2012 (PST)

[:Image:U72box.jpg] right? It looks like it has updated now. Just like back on wikia it takes a little time for pictures to get updated. This seems to be working just a bit slower than instant. (P.S. Unlike the categories that don't seem to be updating at all. I still gotta figure out how to fix that.) -- Fenyx4 07:23, 10 January 2012 (PST)

Aaaand We're Back!

As some may have noticed the Codex was down for a few hours. As you are reading this you can see that we are back up and running. No wiki data was actually in danger. We only lost some settings files (not actually sure why though). PHP was updated in our attempts to fix it which broke the ReCaptcha extension. But as that wasn't helping to keep the spam bots out anyways it doesn't seem to be a big loss so I've disabled it. Sorry for the downtime. -- Fenyx4 22:25, 4 February 2012 (PST)

Well, apparently the reCaptcha was stopping the anonymous bots. So, I'll see if I can dust of my php skills and go fix that extension. -- Fenyx4 06:53, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Should be working now. -- Fenyx4 07:11, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Thanks for all your hard work. I've been away for the last week, and will probably be away for the next week, but it's awesome you addressed this problem. Dungy 17:17, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Oh, it seems the search auto-finish, that thing that finished searches if there are pages with that name seems to be not working. Dungy 17:27, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Hrm, not sure why that isn't working. In the settings that is turned on. I'll keep messing with it. -- Fenyx4 08:30, 8 February 2012 (PST)

I also keep getting the following error message when viewing the codex, "Function split() is deprecated in /nfs/c03/h03/mnt/55109/domains/codex.ultimaaiera.com/html/extensions/DynamicPageList/DPLMain.php on line 3385" It's not stopping me from viewing or loading the codex, and it appears to be happening semi-randomly, but I'd love to get rid of it. Dungy 05:15, 11 February 2012 (PST)

*rubs temples* I may need to upgrade the whole wiki to a new version to properly support this new version of php. -- Fenyx4 09:44, 13 February 2012 (PST)

New contributor having difficulty creating an account

User KopeofOnrac has been trying to create an account here in the wiki, but has been having difficulties.
"I'm trying to get into my new login for codex.ultimaaiera.com, and I'm having no luck. I keep asking for an email for my new password, but I get nothing. My login name is KopeofOnrac."
"Oh wait, now it says that my user name KopeofOnrac is pending account request. That's strange. I could have sworn I got an account approval message, but I guess I must not have. It'll probably clear itself up."

Any idea the problem? Or is it just a matter of patience until things get cleared up? Dungy 02:07, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Just confirmed him in Special:ConfirmAccounts. You should have access to that too. Would you like me to try to set it up to e-mail you as well when someone requests an account? -- Fenyx4 08:35, 12 February 2012 (PST)

I don't have access to Special:ConfirmAccounts. That's only bureaucrats. Maybe it should be accessible to admins as well. But yeah, I'd love an email as well. Dungy 09:01, 12 February 2012 (PST)

OK, admins can access account confirmation now. Dungy 11:48, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Table of Contents

Just drawing your attention to this conversation Talk:Ultima VI Transcript (old). Is there anything there that could easily be incorporated here? Dungy 17:55, 12 February 2012 (PST)

The instructions seem pretty straight forward. - Iceblade 21:00, 12 February 2012 (EST)

Sedition from Wikia

I accidentally went to Wikia and noticed it to be disappointingly vibrant. I was wondering why you weren't leaving seditious messages on their talk pages anymore, trying to attract them here. In fact, you're still leaving a bot message welcoming them. Do we need to put someone on sedition duty? The Ultra-Mind 21:25, 15 June 2012 (PDT)

Fenyx can confirm, but I'm pretty sure the admins there started shutting that down. It's my understanding that we aren't allowed to link this wiki on anyone's talk page.

On the other hand, in an average week the Wikia version only gets a small handful of minor edits from mostly anonymous contributors. It's hardly what I'd call a thriving community there. --Terilem 21:37, 15 June 2012 (PDT)

Yeah, SemanticDrifter is paying really close attention to it. Not much to do there unless he stops looking. The automated messages aren't from me per se. Wikia automates those messages and has them addressed from admins. I'm still an admin on there so my name still shows up. (I'm honestly surprised my admin status hasn't been revoked.) -- Fenyx4 22:47, 15 June 2012 (PDT)

Well, the old wikia place is pretty much as dead as a doornail. The number of edits per day (if any at all) is 1-2, it has about 1400 articles less than our current home (not to speak of screenshots), all illustrations are the old, bad versions and most articles are horribly outdated old versions that were long re-written here. Wikia is just too stubborn to admit that it is clinically dead.--Tribun 05:23, 16 June 2012 (PDT)

Dead from our point of view perhaps, but not the casual visitor; regardless of the lack of editing activity, I'm willing to bet Wikia still gets a lot of traffic, and there isn't much we can do about it. Our association with The Ultima Codex certainly helps, but what really matters in a big way is Google: Wikia simply buries us when it comes to search results. Most prospective visitors would be completely oblivious to the politics of the situation and just click through to the first wiki that shows up. --Terilem 18:50, 16 June 2012 (PDT)

Heh. Now a Wikia staffer is suddenly carrying out mass article clean-ups. Rather interesting timing in light of current developments in the Ultima community. --Terilem 18:15, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

Hehehe. I like their main page "the game will be set in the universe depicted in Ultima IV: Quest For the Avatar". Gonna be hard for people to keep those names straight. Subtle difference. ;)

Perhaps I'll have FenyxBot run through and hit the same spelling fixing his bot fixed... Although I'm betting people here have already caught a lot of them over the years. -- Fenyx4 06:22, 13 July 2012 (PDT)

An error message when updating the U9 Transcript

Not sure where to post about this error message, but here it is:

 A database query syntax error has occurred.
 This may indicate a bug in the software.
 The last attempted database query was:
 (SQL query hidden)
 from within function "Revision::insertOn".
 Database returned error "5: Out of memory (Needed 857744 bytes) (internal-db.s55109.gridserver.com)".

Is this error perhaps the result of too much text on a single wiki page? - User:Iceblade 19 October 2012

I'm afraid I can't reproduce it now. The max size for an article should be 2048 kilobytes and currently the article is only(!!!) 765 kilobytes long. So unless your next edit was doubling it in size... I'll ask Mr. WtF if we are running short on space and/or if he already increased it. -- Fenyx4 06:40, 26 October 2012 (PDT)

Just checked it out, and it works without issue. - User:Iceblade 8 December 2012

Some Deletion Please

In the category "Articles for Deletion" we have amassed a number of really big pictures that were replaced with much slimmer versions. Could you please delete these old pictures (they only cost server HD space).--Tribun 14:55, 3 January 2013 (PST)

Feature request: &nbsp; hack

Because it's bad style to separate numbers in a paragraph from the words with which they are mated, (such as "Ultima" and "IV", "7" and "A.M.", "5" and "sqft.", etc.) I've been experimenting with putting &nbsp;es to keep "Ultima" and their roman numerals from being separated. Unfortunately, it makes for awkward code, especially when the text forms a link, since "Ultima&nbsp;IV" will not resolve to a valid link, saying nothing about the massive task in applying that correction to the whole wiki. I was wondering if a hack could be made to the site's engine, such that any displayed text that begins with "Ultima" is followed by a space and then either "I", "V" or "X" have a &nbsp; replace the space. No one would probably even notice. I thought I'd ask you if it is feasible before putting it to the community. The Ultra-Mind 17:43, 17 February 2013 (PST)

This sounds interesting in theory, but I fear it will fall on our feet once we need to edit such an article. I made the painful experience that it is a nightmare to edit an article that is littered with such code.--Tribun 22:49, 17 February 2013 (PST)

I feel you're overstating the issue quite a bit. It seems you're drawing an equivalency between this idea and the result of unsuspecting contributors using the rich text editor, which I think is unfair. What The Ultra-Mind is proposing is pretty harmless and would largely be constrained to game titles, which would hardly result in articles being littered with code as you're suggesting. --Terilem 23:19, 17 February 2013 (PST)

Perhaps it is just bad memories, yet I can't shake off that feeling.--Tribun 04:35, 18 February 2013 (PST)

Let's avoid hacking the site's engine. That sounds like a maintenance nightmare. :)

There are multiple ways to do it though without messing around in mediawiki's source code though. [[Ultima&nbsp;IV]] may not resolve to a valid link but you can create a redirect from that link to [[Ultima IV]]. But I agree with Tribun that &nbsp; is fugly. Perhaps not for all the same reasons though. I think it can be confusing. When scanning the text it really just looks like gobbledegook to me and I have to pause and spend extra time parsing it. And if we ever want to change it later we have to go digging through all the pages to make the change again.

To fix the link/redirect issue we can use <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[Ultima IV]]</span>. That still suffers from being a bit verbose and people entering it regularly could easily make a mistake and not notice. And doesn't fix having to go through everywhere and change it all again if we want it to look different.

So, we shove it in a template. {{nowrap|[[Ultima IV]]}} will do exactly what the above does but it does it a bit cleaner. And it can easily be used elsewhere in the wiki. It is pretty clean too (still not quite as clean as I would like though). Also, although it makes it easy to change how nowrapping is done in the future, it doesn't make changing how we display the game titles in the future easy.

Sadly that is where I run out. I think the best solution would be to have template like this [[{{Ultima IV}}]] for each game. It would know that we want it to italicized and have no wrapping. We could change that formatting all in one place so we don't have to do it everywhere all over again. And it would be clean. But it breaks linking again since you can't have the link brackets around the span tag. Basically we can have the template always link or not link and clearly that doesn't work. If anyone has insight on how to get that working that would be awesome. Otherwise I think we'd have to go with the nowrap template. -- Fenyx4 08:46, 18 February 2013 (PST)

That's very imaginative. But in the end, it involves beating the code w/the ugly stick, at least a little, and editors are bound to make mistakes from time to time. Even though we can back out of something like that, then we still introduce just a little bit of clutter to all the articles' histories.

From what I understand about the site engine, I could probably make the change myself, if I could be trusted to act in good faith :) FWIW, I'm an accomplished developer and unlike most supposed professionals, I write code that can actually be easily maintained or cleanly reversed, as the case may be. Never am I more aware of that need as I am now, as my job for the last year and a half has been wrangling with the mess made by those to whom my employers outsourced overseas (before the got fed up and hired me)! So, what I'm saying is, worse case scenario, we have to reverse the changes, then no one who visits the Codex thereafter has any idea that the hack was ever applied. The Ultra-Mind 09:39, 18 February 2013 (PST)

Would it not be easier to apply this via CSS? Titles are italics and all hyperlinks are a tags, so apply a combo style that <i><a> is no-wrap. Or would that break anythine else? --Browncoat Jayson 10:49, 18 February 2013 (PST)

@Ultra-Mind this is a content issue and doesn't need a code fix. Fixing it in the code seems like it would break HTML, CSS and Mediawiki standards and have to be redone everytime we wanted to bump up the mediawiki version. Why bother with that when we can just fix it in the content.

@Browncoat hrm... tempting idea but it wouldn't always work. If you look under, say, Julia's portrait 'Ultima Underworld' is not in a <i> tag due to the italicization is inverted since the entire line is italicized. And I would just be worried that it would pop up in random places that we do wanting wrapping. -- Fenyx4 11:39, 18 February 2013 (PST)

True, but in that instance, the game title isn't a hyperlink so it wouldn't matter anyway. There would always be a possibility that it would apply somewhere that we don't expect, but its easier to correct those few places than to force users to consistently apply a template to content. Anyway, just a thought. --Browncoat Jayson 13:20, 18 February 2013 (PST)

@Fenyx I don't know about HTML or CSS, but it quite probably would break w/Mediawiki standards. If the hack is as simple as I hope it would be, then it might just amount to a few minutes work every time my last few minutes work got clobbered. Of course, things happen--people lose interest in their hobbies, they die, etc. Now I could be wrong, but if that were to happen to me, I don't see how that would leave the rest of you up the creek, w/out a simple way of preparing for plan B. The Ultra-Mind 14:35, 18 February 2013 (PST)

I can't really follow all the code talk, but why does it have to break links? Can't it just be formatted as [[Ultima IV | Ultima&nbsp;IV]]? That said, the template idea sounds a lot simpler for an editor to deal with. I can handle throwing in a few extra brackets. --Terilem 18:03, 18 February 2013 (PST)

... *facepalm*

Terilem wins this conversation. :)

That also would fix the template linking problem. So [[Ultima IV|{{Ultima IV}}]] for linked ones and {{Ultima IV}} for unlinked.

What do people think of that? If we like it then I can make the templates and have FenyxBot hit the majority of them. -- Fenyx4 19:45, 18 February 2013 (PST)

I'm taking the silence as agreement to this? I'll see about running FenyxBot after the Mediawiki update. That should give the site a good shakedown. :) -- Fenyx4 12:36, 5 March 2013 (PST)

To be honest I didn't get what actually will be new and what we have to do in the future.--Tribun 15:02, 5 March 2013 (PST)

Finally started on this. I've demoed it for Ultima IV on Ultima IV and Julia. -- Fenyx4 14:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.20

The update is mostly done. It went fairly smoothly but there are a few hiccups. The forums disappeared being the worst. The data is still there it is just hiding. The Youtube tag extension no longer works but there are recommended replacements so that will be fairly simple. ConfirmAccount doesn't seem to be sending e-mails to the specified admins. I'll work on fixing these tomorrow.

I also removed UserMerge since it hasn't been used since the move from Wikia.

FCKEditor is outdated and has security flaws. Did anyone ever use it or does everyone use the raw editing these days? There re some recommended replacements that I can look at if people are interested in them.

Search autofill is working again though! Yay!

And now I'ma gonna get some sleep. Let me know if you see any other problems. -- Fenyx4 22:50, 10 March 2013 (PDT)

I noticed the galleries are no longer fixed to 4 images per row and now adapt to screen width. Very nice.--Tribun (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2013 (PDT)

Error creating Thumbnails

When trying to create a new thumbnail, I just get a gray box with "Error creating a thumbnail" in it. This also happens with images that already have thumbnails of a different size. There seems to be something broken with it.--Tribun (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thumbnails should be fixed now. -- Fenyx4 12:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Error in histories

It seems that Time Lord gets a little more credit than is due in histories. What do you see in Rule Britiannia's history? All I get is Time Lord edits plus one that you did, during the move in 2010. I know Tribun and I did some work there. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 18:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Dang Time Lords travelin' through time and taking all the credit. Looks like he now has credit for EVERY edit from before the move. I dunno what is going on. It didn't have this problem immediately after the move. Perhaps some artifact from the move from wikia didn't work correctly with the recent upgrade or the even more recent server move? Hard to say. I still have the data from the original move I think. So theoretically it would be fixable... But may be a lot of effort. I'll poke at it as I can. -- Fenyx4 19:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice this before. Better check it out as it could point to some serious problem.--Tribun (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

This should now be fixed (although I had to do a few ctrl-f5s to get it some of them to show up properly). For those that are interested it looks to have been a problem from the original move from Wikia. There are two columns in the revision table. One which has the username and one which has the user's id. Nearly all the ones from before the move had the right username but the wrong userid (I for one blame Wikia!). My guess is that the update to Mediawiki last month changes how the revision history showed the username. Showing the username based on the userid instead of just showing the username in the revision table. Thereby exposing the error. I fixed it with some SQL voodoo. (This probably fixed the edit count problem too) -- Fenyx4 02:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be working now! Now the question is, why do they have two columns for the user instead of just the user id? That's not following good database normalization guidelines... --Sega381 (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

It appears to come in useful for anonymous edits since they don't have a user_id... Dunno why they'd put the username in there at all then though. Old laziness getting grandfathered along? Old optimizing for speed? Whatever it is I ain't gonna go digging in the MediaWiki code. :) -- Fenyx4 13:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem with animated pictures

When uploading an animated gif, there is an error in the thumbnail picture, when the picture is bigger than the thumbnail (meaning the preview is made smaller), corrupting the thumbnail. Can be seen in the history of .--Tribun (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I'll try to fix that. -- Fenyx4 15:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Apart from that issue (which still persists) something wierd goes on at least in the history of gif-files that got a newer version. Just look here Davra's Portrait to see the strange effects. Must be a result of you upgrading the wiki engine.--Tribun (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Yup. I see it. It was caused by the server change actually. -- Fenyx4 14:51, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you fix it?--Tribun (talk) 16:45, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I will try to fix it. -- Fenyx4 18:15, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

After much gnashing of teeth and pounding of keyboard this is finally fixed. -- Fenyx4 14:48, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, everything seems to be back in order. What exactly had went wrong?--Tribun (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

ImageMagick wasn't on the new server so I switched to an alternative. The alternative didn't handle gifs very well (as you noticed). Getting ImageMagick installed and working required a lot of debugging. -- Fenyx4 19:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Need some help with the Infobox/Shop/Universal

I really need some help with the Infobox/Shop/Universal. What I was trying to do is to do get the same as the NPCS, but I failed 'a bit'. Can you help me? This is to be used if there is a case that people wants to have the versions of the Amiga, c64, or those "Upgraded" VGA. --Arthgon (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind. This is no longer needed. You can delete it. As you can see, I was successful in merging two different versions (with description) of the shop. It also possible to use more than two versions now. Just like the NPCs. --Arthgon (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on getting it working! Sorry I wasn't around to help.

I don't want to rain on your parade but what I and Ultra-Mind said in Talk:Captain Black Tavern still stands. Having different versions of a screenshot needlessly clutters up the article (even when hidden like that). Are we going to end up with 10+ screenshots for every U4 screenshot that is out there now? The article is about Captain Black Tavern not about what the different versions of the game look like.

What this would be useful for is Blue Boar Tavern! We could have screenshots from all the games it appears in in the infobox. -- Fenyx4 14:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

First of all, do not worry, you cannot be everywhere at the same time. Secondly, The Captain Black Tavern was an experiment to get the feeling of mechanics of the template. I can remove the VGA version if you want to. Thirdly, Blue Boar Tavern? Agree. That is a good idea. --Arthgon (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I have applied the template upon Blue Boar Tavern and will do the same thing with others. Interesting. It seems to I have by accident, deleted a big part of one of my posts. Mentioning that I wanted to do the same thing with the shops as the NPCS and if possible different versions. If you know what I mean.--Arthgon (talk) 11:51, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm still of the opinion that different versions of the screenshot from the same game is bad. But having screenshots from all the different games like you have done in Blue Boar Tavern is great! -- Fenyx4 22:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Lord of Ultima

I've made a decision to take you up on that offer of getting LoU's community here. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you move your LoU content to its own section like SotA and UF and give me and the other major writer of your LoU articles admin rights on it. I would also like all of your communities help starting a project, basically to have all of LoU's history made into a timeline (Including Servers, Crownings, Updates, etc.) and maybe an infographic later on. I hope this request isn't too much. William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 01:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that would be a great idea. The LoU stuff kind of stands out on the wiki, and it might be a good idea to have a subdomain for it, if we had people actively working on it. Dungy (talk) 11:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I am glad you agree. William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 08:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I can set it up an empty wiki for you and, if you like, set up some basic templates. I only barely played the game a couple days when it was first released so I can't be much more help than that though. (Besides keeping MW updated and installing any extensions you'd like and other admin tasks). I think it was Browncoat Jayson who did a lot of the LoU stuff on here so you may want to contact him directly for help.

Is the rest of (or most of) your community on board for this move? Will you be moving the content from Wikia over?

UltimaCodex admin is also wondering if you'd like to consult him about an LoU (non-wiki) subdomain on UltimaCodex. Similar to [1]. That might be a good place for the infographic and some other stuff as well. You can reach him here -- Fenyx4 18:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I am interested and will most definitely contact him. The Wikia community is pretty much as barren as the Codex Wikia, save for my other admin. I'll make a post on the games forums about the move and I'll put a notice on my Wikia front page as well. Where can I find the wiki you set up, and how would I be able to copy or transfer the LoU related articles over to that new wiki? William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 09:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

It isn't up yet. It will probably take me a week or two to get to it. Will http://wiki.ultimacodex.com/lou/ be good for an address? You'll be able to use the export page and then the matching import page to transfer the LoU articles over. -- Fenyx4 01:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

That'll be perfect, how can I transfer the LoU related pages already here (On the Codex) over, do I have to copy it all by hand? Its not a problem, I have more time than Father Time himself. And would I be wrong to assume that I will have admin privileges to modify the new LoU section? I have plenty of code and links, etc. that I can bring over from wikia and I just think it'd be easier than having to ask one of the admins to modify the MediaWiki pages for me. William (Talk), Bureaucrat of the Lord of Ultima Wiki on Wikia 04:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Problem with Fold-Out scripts

You remember the fold-out effect for things like the various NPC infoboxes or the navigation templates? Right now everything is always folded out and the "hide" buttons are missing. The update to the newest version seems to have broken something there (it makes the NPC infobox almost unbearable). Hopefully you can fix that.--Tribun (talk) 00:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Should be fixed. -- Fenyx4 05:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Can we get more information on our readership?

Forgive my information avarice, but I'm hungry for more stats on our readers than what "popular pages" affords. I'm thinking of what Google searches bring people here, what days weeks or months they visit, countries, browsers, OSes, graphs, pie charts... just saying "pie" made me even hungrier.

I was hoping this place might offer some answers, but it seems it's only available to admins? I don't even remember how I got that. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Was waiting for more info to accumulate before posting but since you asked... User:Fenyx4/Sandbox. -- Fenyx4 02:33, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Uh... ok, thanks. What exactly am I looking at though? Whatever it's saying, it doesn't seem to say very much. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 16:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Google searches that resulted in clicks on our site. -- Fenyx4 22:37, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Fenyx4/Sandbox/GA-PageViews More and I am updating the previous ones. -- Fenyx4 13:23, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Formatting issues

Hey Fenyx, looks to be pretty quiet here nowadays but hopefully you're still around. :)

A couple of people have noted an issue with the Daver article not displaying correctly (i.e. the style template is failing to load). I can reproduce the error in IE and Chrome, but in Firefox it still loads correctly. Is this something that can be fixed on our end? --Terilem (talk) 08:34, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm still alive! Just been crazy busy with non-Ultima stuff. Uh, that Daver thing is really crazy. Works on chrome for me but not Firefox or IE. Weird... I edited the page, reloaded it in the other browsers and he appears to be working fine now. How does it look to you?

P.S. You or any other wiki goers coming to HoBLotH? -- Fenyx4 04:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Excellent, the article is loading properly for me now as well. Thanks for fixing it; good to know it'll be simple if the issue pops up again.

Geographical factors make HoBLotH infeasible for me, I'm afraid. I don't know about others from here, though. --Terilem (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2016 (UTC)