Talk:Cape of Heroes

The red parts of the map are wrong

I had the idea that a cape was part of a larger land mass, not an archipelago, (are those the Valarians?) in which case, the map needs redone. Or is this one of those situations where a name gets applied to something that it isn't, such as Babe Ruth getting his name in adulthood? On the other hand, the wording in the documentation "The claws of the southern tip of Britannia embrace the Cape of Heroes." suggests another definition of "cape", since I would have said those claws were capes. The Ultra-Mind 20:14, 23 January 2013 (PST)

You're correct. The Cape of Heroes are the "claws", though I think in the context of that quote, they probably included the actual ocean inlet as well. --Warder Dragon 23:32, 23 January 2013 (PST)

So the "Cape" is two capes and the bay in between? (It's too wide to be an inlet. Maybe a cove) Well, Lassorn in U4 says it's a bay and also that the bay is in the CoH (meaning it's part of the CoH?) Here's what he has to say about the loss of the HMS Cape. "She went down in the deep waters of the bay in the Cape of Heroes". Well, since the Cape doesn't seem to be limited to any land mass or water body, it just seems to be an area on the Britannian surface, named after the ship that went down. Could that be it? The Ultra-Mind 11:49, 24 January 2013 (PST)

I had a brainfart and couldn't come up with the word 'bay', so I struggled for a few moments before opting for inlet. ;) Anyway, I think you're overthinking it. It's extremely doubtful (and speculative) that it was named after the ship. It's far more likely that the developers didn't really know the exact definition of the word Cape, and used it to encompass that entire area, not just the cape(s) itself. For our purposes, we know that the cape is the landmass, and that some Britannians also refer to the bay as part of the cape. That's all we really need, no? --Warder Dragon 13:14, 24 January 2013 (PST)

Your first language isn't English, is it? Well, I had to look it up to be sure also, so no worries :)

Overthink I may from time to time, so I'll trim down the thought when the time comes. Until then, the question in my mind is was this part of a mistake by the developers, in which case it would be an out-game issue, or did Brtiannians just decided to call it "Cape of Heroes", because it's catchier than "Twin Capes with a Bay in the Middle of Heroes"? My guess would be the former. Or, maybe the definition of "cape" is slightly different in Texas. Maybe "cape" is significantly different in Britannia! I still think it involved a mistake by Origin. The Ultra-Mind 20:38, 24 January 2013 (PST)

No, English is my second language, but my inability to remember 'bay' had very little to do with lack of linguistic abilities, and everything to do with lack of sleep ;)

Anyway, yeah, it probably involved a mistake on Origin's side, but it's not really important that we explain it or go into elaborate detail on the page itself. We know that the Twin Capes with a Bay in the Middle of Heroes™ is a geographical area that encompasses both capes and the bay, and that's enough for wiki purposes! --Warder Dragon 00:10, 25 January 2013 (PST)

Well, we have to do something. If people are looking for the CoH and just see something that should have been called the TCwaBitMoH it'll cause confusion. If you don't want to admit that Origin makes mistakes, I guess it would be enough to alter the map to indicate what the CoH is. The Ultra-Mind 07:07, 25 January 2013 (PST)

What? Origin makes tons of mistakes. The only thing I don't want to do is speculate. Do you? --Warder Dragon 03:48, 26 January 2013 (PST)

Until we reach decision-time, yes I do. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 21:09, 16 March 2013 (PDT)

Map

Unless someone else wants to weigh in, it seems that we are agreed that the Cape of Heroes is those "claws" and the bay in between. On those abstract maps, is there a convention for highlighting areas that include water bodies or have they only been used to mark land? The Ultra-Mind 07:07, 25 January 2013 (PST)

There is no convention. but I think as a future reference, land should be marked red and water light blue. In fact, there are five maps I therefore have to alter.--Tribun 07:10, 25 January 2013 (PST)

EDIT: I added a new map, what do you think?--Tribun 07:20, 25 January 2013 (PST)

It looks like the same thing Dungy put there 24 hours ago.

I think if we use a contrasting colour like light blue it could make the land-part seem like it's distinct from the water part. Pink for water might be better. The Ultra-Mind 08:48, 25 January 2013 (PST)

I absolutely does not look the same. Maybe you need to refresh the page to show the new file. And I think blue is more logical for water areas.--Tribun 08:50, 25 January 2013 (PST)

Sorry! You're right--a refresh did it. The water area is a little bigger than I would have made it, though. It also encompasses islands which are still black. (Now we are up to "the Twin Capes with a Bay in the Middle and a Neighbouring Archipelago of Heroes") The Ultra-Mind 09:21, 25 January 2013 (PST)

If you want, you can edit it further. But the blue color is the right shade to give a good contrast?--Tribun 09:22, 25 January 2013 (PST)

I still think pink is better but blue isn't the end of the world, so unless other people feel differently, we can do that. The Ultra-Mind 09:58, 25 January 2013 (PST)

The color doesn't matter too much to me, but the water area should probably only encompass the bay itself, not the waters around the islands. --Warder Dragon 03:49, 26 January 2013 (PST)

Being that colour is less important than correctness, I've shrunk the water parts for now. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 21:09, 16 March 2013 (PDT)

Cape of Heroes definition

In light of the latest edits, it seems the above discussion, which settled on the two "claws" and the body of water between them, will have to be revisited. The challenge we face is to reconcile a number of definitions as to what exactly the Cape of Heroes encompasses:

• The real-world definition of a cape is a headland or promontory (e.g. Cape Cod). By this definition, one or both claws would be the Cape of Heroes. However...
• The U4 manual: "The claws of the southern tip of Britannia embrace the Cape of Heroes." (suggests the bay is the Cape)
• Lassorn in U4: "She went down in the deep waters of the bay in the Cape of Heroes!" (suggests the claws are the Cape)
• Homer in U6: "It was wrecked on the cape, southwest of here. Not too far from Serpent's Hold." (the shipwreck is located on the first of the islets adjacent to the claws)

The three sources I can find don't seem to agree with each other.

The new location image and article content has gone back to defining the cape as the bay and archipelago between the mainland and Serpent's Hold, which sparked this talk page in the first place. --Terilem (talk) 15:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I pretty much had to guess due to simply not having a clear definition of the area. I gladly change to picture should I get guidance.--Tribun (talk) 15:21, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party, but yes, I agree that we had it right when it was the "claws" and the bay only, not the neighbouring archipelago. So I would change the map by adding the claws and removing the islands as well as their surrounding waters.The Ultra-Mind (talk) 16:52, 3 September 2020 (UTC)