Template talk:LoreQuote

Thought I'd throw this together. It may be useful if we ever want to change the formatting for Lore quotes at some point. Or have them automagically add in the category. I don't see us going through all the old ones by hand though. I may look into a bot to do this... Someday... Fenyx4 16:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Dropping Quotes

I don't like the dropping of the quotes and changing to italics. It causes the name of the book and name of the game to blend. I understand why it was done for consistency but readability is important too. Looking at citation they don't typically follow the same rules as the body of the text. I don't think our quote lines have to either. But if it is deemed necessary to keep it italicized for consistency then some other way to offset the game title from the book title needs to be figured out. -- Fenyx4 04:46, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. We just have to agree to something and put it on the Style Guide. The options I see:

• Make an exception for LoreQuotes, where books use quotes instead of italics. The rest remains the same.
• Make an exception for LoreQuotes, where books use something else to make it more readable. The rest remains the same.
• Choose to make every book in the wiki use quotes instead of italics. It goes against the idea that was put in the Style Guide and is not the same guidelines used in Wikipedia, but it is a valid choice.

I am ok with the first or second option (though the second option is still vague). It leaves everything less consistent, but it's not thaaat bad. The third one is less consistent as a whole (though it creates consistency between book name formats), I think, and I'd prefer one of the others. Let's ask everybody what they think?--Sega381 14:39, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Copied the discussion to Forum:Use of italics and quotes for proper names to see if more responses would appear there.--Sega381 04:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

If I understand this correctly, it sounds like an old Wikimedia problem, since I used the quotes to make italics and they seem fine now. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 17:29, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

No more links

In an effort to reduce the size of Special:WantedPages, I was wondering if it's possible for Template:LoreQuote to not throw up links to pages that don't exist. It is unlikely we'd ever make a wikia article for every in-game book that is quoted, not would I think we'd want to if the book is already quoted in the relevant section. 01:29, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

This was brought up before. Sadly it is a limitation of the parser extension/Mediawiki. I do stand by what I said before though. I rather like that they show up in the wanted pages as it does put some pressure on us to create the article. Perhaps all the article would be is a redirect to a list of all in game books but that would still be useful to have. -- Fenyx4 03:40, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Indentation

I added :: to the template. I think it helps distinguish the quotes on pages where several of them exist. Thoughts? -- Metaneira (talk) 15:40, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Except now I realize that it does nothing on pages where Lore quotes are included with a picture (e.g., fireball). Fantastic. -- Metaneira (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Fenyx did some experiments with different formatting in the past, but it didn't really lead anywhere. I particularly like the way he's done it here, but at the very least I do think they look nicer with indentation. --Terilem (talk) 09:26, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

The problem could be "solved" by keeping the indentation and making all the pictures that accompany the lore section right-aligned. However, that creates a different aesthetic issue with the infobox being right above the picture. I actually really like Fenyx's work -- was there a reason this wasn't implemented? -- Metaneira (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

There was an accompanying discussion, but I can't seem to find it again. As I recall there was some resistance to the quotation mark graphic, and the issue kind of fizzled thereafter. If I manage to track it down I'll link it here, but I'd like to see that formatting used. --Terilem (talk) 22:53, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm wondering if we need to look at changing something about the fundamentals of our Wikimedia setup. The other day I tried to attract attention to a problem I have trying to get a certain template feature going to make us more in-line w/popular Wikipedia tools, but I haven't got any bites. It's my feeling that we need to somehow change the configuration to get that to work. The Ultra-Mind (talk) 21:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Huh, couldn't find the discussion either. Wish I could pull up a "Recent Changes" list from years ago. My memory of the discussion matches Terilem's though. -- Fenyx4 20:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Found it. Here is the experimental template as well. Most seemed to like it. --Terilem (talk) 22:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Nice find! (I'd forgotten the vitriol in that conversation...) From my count of the 7 people that have commented on it 6 have liked it. Seems like we have consensus. Someone want to put it in place? -- Fenyx4 22:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Done, but there is a bug where a new paragraph within the same lore quote makes the text italicized. See the U9 quote at Britain, for example. Edit: Nevermind, it's not an issue with the template; the italics are in the actual lore quote. Hope there aren't too many of these around. :/ --Terilem (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I need to run to work but will try to use a bot to find others like that. -- Fenyx4 23:23, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Punctuation error

A comma (as well as any punctuation mark) right before opening a bracket is an error. Please fix it. ---Abacos (talk) 07:21, 16 August 2017 (MDT)

Can you provide an example? Perhaps throw something that breaks on here User:Fenyx4/Sandbox? Thanks. -- Fenyx4 10:08, 22 August 2017 (MDT)

Simply put, the template writes quote references e.g. this way:

• "Text" - from Spoiler Book, (Ultima III)

The comma before the bracket is wrong, and should be removed, this way:

• "Text" - from Spoiler Book (Ultima III)

Check the grammar explanation here. --Abacos (talk) 07:24, 25 August 2017 (MDT)

Ah, I thought you meant that putting something like ,[ would cause mediawiki to throw an error. Sorry I was confused. I kinda like how it looks with the comma and parenthesis but upon cogitating I'm not too attached to it. -- Fenyx4 06:25, 27 August 2017 (MDT)

I am sure that some people like the way "1+1=3" looks, too, but it is still wrong. I am told that schools in English-speaking countries teach very little about grammar and punctuation, but I am from a Continental-European country: you can trust me about that field of expertise! :) --Abacos (talk) 07:58, 29 August 2017 (MDT)

Wow... strawman, ad hominem and argument from authority all in just two sentences. You've successfully made me NOT want to agree with you just for being a pompous ass.

But you wanna be pedantic let's be pedantic. Let's look at "any punctuation mark right before opening a bracket is an error". Here is an example of an APA citation "American Dietetic Association. (1999)."

What the?! A period just before a parenthesis? You'd better contact the APA! But wait that is a citation which is what we are dealing with here. Your "grammar explanation" link was only talking about full sentences. The fact that we are dealing with citations and not full sentences gives us lots of leeway.

All that being said I'm still fine with removing the comma but maybe next time don't insult someone who is agreeing with you. -- Fenyx4 11:12, 29 August 2017 (MDT)

I humbly apologize. Far from me the idea of willingly insulting anybody! I was told what I wrote (I did not experience it myself, I trusted what someone else told me, therefore my source could be wrong). It made sense, since English is the only non-phonetic language from Europe (as far as I know), and I was also told that English spelling takes years to be taught in primary schools, therefore (it sounds logic) there is far less time to teach grammar, compared to phonetic languages. If all this is wrong please tell me, so I can correct my mistake once and for all, and please accept my sincere apologies. --Abacos (talk) 16:12, 29 August 2017 (MDT)