Talk:Mouth of the Daemon

Who created the lava?

I'm skeptical that Pyros created the lava. AngusM 01:20, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Pyros caused the volcano to erupt back in the day, so maybe he created it indirectly. Still, I don't think that's very useful information. Warder Dragon 01:58, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

What here is useful? If what you say is true, then I don't see why the genesis of the phenomenon that the article is based on should be omitted. Also from what you say, it seems that it could stand some refinement (the keyword being "maybe" in your post). AngusM 20:45, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was that since I doubt that Pyros created the lava lake intentionally - it was a side effect of the volcanic eruption - there is no need to mention him specifically, or at least not in the way it is currently phrased since it makes it seem like it was intentional. Clarification and all that. It feels to me like saying Pyros created it is the same as saying the Great Council created the Underworld, even though it was just a side effect of the Codex being raised from the Abyss. Warder Dragon 21:27, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

BTW, where did you learn that Pyros accidentally created the lake? Looking through the transcript, when I search for "lava" the first hit I get seems to be an explanation of how the lake was created. Is that it? AngusM 05:31, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Where does the name come from?

Looking through the transcript I can't find the string "lava lake". On the first hit of "lava", however, I do find a story that seems to describe how the body was formed. This is what I've found:

• It's not actually a lake but a "river" (according to Arcadion^?)
• He calls the cavern that the river is in "Mouth of the Daemon". Since this is the only proper noun we have, I think we should use it, instead of inventing a name for something that doesn't have one.

AngusM 05:31, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Remandating

I think this issue has stalled long enough. Citing reasons state above, I think this article should be renamed "Mouth of the Daemon", and the content should be changed to reflect that. The Ultra-Mind 13:39, 11 December 2010 (PST)

Wrong image

I see that in changing the mandate of this article, I've made the image therein irrelevant. Doh! That's the bridge to the Obsidian Fortress, isn't it? Well, it'll do for now, but it should be replaced eventually. The Ultra-Mind 14:31, 11 December 2010 (PST)

How to traverse the lava

The article previous said that "The Avatar cooled down a small part of the lake ... with a new river". A walkthrough claims otherwise, but if someone can confirm both are true, then feel free to include that. The Ultra-Mind 14:31, 11 December 2010 (PST)

The walkthrough is wrong. You have to re-fill Carthax Lake, which will overflow and create a waterfall that cools down part of the lava river (that is was Beren is pissed about), forming a new water river. Before doing this, the lava rive is to big to cross, even with air-walk.--Tribun 14:43, 11 December 2010 (PST)

I've read Beren's dialogue, and there might be something in that, but I don't believe the walkthrough is wrong. The walkthrough says you need the Air Walk to get to where Beren appears and disappears, and what he has to say supports that. But he also accuses the Avatar of some sort of detriment to the environment involving water in the cavern. But I'm also wondering if there are bugs or plot changes involved here. These are what I think needs looked into:

1. Is it necessary to re-fill Carthax Lake (that's when you free Hydros, right?). This requirement might be obscured if it is necessary to fill the lake before you can even enter the cavern.
2. Is it necessary to use Air Walk to traverse the cavern? There may be a chain of other requirements before you can get that spell, though.
3. Don't answer 1. or 2. until you first deal w/the section about plot cuts and bugs below.

The Ultra-Mind 20:40, 11 December 2010 (PST)

I tested the whole thing:

• You need to fill the lake, because the lava river otherwise is simply too big to cross, even with air walk. Also, before cooling it, all of the lava is liquid lava. You can enter the cavern earlier, but can't cross it and Beren won't appear.
• Even after cooling part of it, you can't jump the distance and would die by the lava. That's wehn you need air walk.

I think this is pretty clear and leaves no room to ask any further questions. The only bug is, that Beren's dialogue after cooling the lava river sometimes is cut short, that ones is known, but that's irrelevant for the issue here.--Tribun 04:58, 12 December 2010 (PST)

Yeah, that sounds pretty complete. The Ultra-Mind 13:47, 13 December 2010 (PST)

Plot cuts or bugs?

I've played this game on a floppy version and a version I got off a CD-ROM. In both those versions, whenever I entered the Mouth of the Daemon for the first time, Beren appears, and speaks as though he's continuing a conversation we'd already had with a presumptuous warning, then disappears. The transcript makes it clear that he has much more to say than that, but for all I know that's retired bytecode. Does anyone know if this is a bug or a plot change, because there's some confusion about what goes on there, and the nature of that part of the game, that I've brought up in the previous section. I find it a bit strange that two version would suffer the same bug, while a lot of other people don't seem to have. Although, in both cases, I used the AdLib patch, so maybe that would have something to do w/it. The Ultra-Mind 20:40, 11 December 2010 (PST)

That's a simple flag bug that appears when talking/not talking to Beren earlier in town. It's known and has nothing to do with any kind of plot cut.--Tribun 05:03, 12 December 2010 (PST)

Ok. If this was part of the article, it'd probably be the most useful part. If anyone can expand on it, feel free. The Ultra-Mind 13:47, 13 December 2010 (PST)