Talk:Avatar
Since the official wikipedia article is up for deletion, by those who don't consider the Avatar notable, I was wondering if any thought this information might have a place here. There have been books published on the Avatar from the Ultima games, and it was the second playable character in a game which could be female, and the first to do so without making the female overly sexual. First use of the term Avatar to be computer related, etc. Lot of stuff that might be interesting to some over here. Dream Focus 20:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
How destroyed is the Avatar?[edit]
I'm not sure that this article should be so categorical about the death of the Avatar. I thought that FMV at the end of Ultima 9 made it very apocryphal. The mood is pretty dark until Raven discovers an ankh among the ruins. At that the point the music takes a turn for the upbeat, and the scene dissolves into a starry ankh in the sky. This leads me to believe that the Avatar might well be in another existence somewhere.AngusM 03:00, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
93.0.102.91 14:17, September 15, 2009 (UTC) He's not really - this article should be edited (as many like it). The game actually makes it pretty clear that the Avatar does not die at the end, and merely "Ascend beyond mortality". While the exact significance of this can be debatable - it means what it means though, the Avatar is not dead, he has just be rejoined with his other half on another plane of existence.Sergorn
Given that poor ol' "Goldilocks" was cheated out of the "titan of ether" status when the U9 finally happened, its seems that the "Ascension" part of Ultima 9's title implies the player finally merging with the guardian results in a form of godhood, not death, as the final reward of installation. Theoretically in early drafts of the u9 you were going to be at least semi-divine (no need for reagents, more impressive powers) as you were becoming a "good" equivalent of the guardian, you could control and ride dragons, and tons of other stuff that got left on the cutting room floor in the final release. Carcerian 19:00, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
I think there is a misunderstanding. The line was a little vague but it was edited weeks ago to make it clearer. It hadn't the Avatar's death as a point instead it talked about the Avatar concept and how Ascension screwed it up. The line now states "the concept of for what the Avatar stands for is destroyed totally."--Tribun 19:10, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Better phrasing i agree. Ascention is defiantly the story of "what could have been"..
Carcerian 19:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Intro Blurb[edit]
I feel that with the Lore template in use, having the intro blurb for this article be a copy-pasted quotation from a manual comes across as sloppy and non-encyclopedic. I've tried to reorganize the article in such a way that the information contained in the original version is preserved, with the flow of the writing feeling professional, but I'm willing to discuss reverting if good reasons can be given.--Blu3vib3 16:41, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
- Seriously now. I understand that it is your creative work here, but as far as I can tell the original introduction was created from A) a quotation from Way of the Avatar, B) Some personal thoughts on what Avatarhood means and C) Information on the character class's mechanics. My apologies for not recognizing it as a compilation, but it looked unprofessional and sloppy, and shoving it back in without discussion does little to resolve the issue. Please. Dialog. Discussion. Compromise. These are what fuel wikis.--Blu3vib3 17:08, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
- I'm going to have to agree here. The tone of that intro blurb seems quite out of place against other articles, not to mention the "Way of the Avatar" sub-heading (that part in particular goes for the other class articles, too). And yes, discussion as opposed to knee-jerk reversion is most definitely fundamental. --Terilem 21:47, 4 November 2010 (PDT)
- Where does exactly this lore quote come from? What is "Way of the Avatar"? There is a section in the Ultima VI Compendium called "Way of the Avatar", but it doesn't contain anything from this lore quote. I haven't found it in the Ultima IV manuals. The only place I've found part of that blorb is here, which doesn't help in knowing where it's from, and which is only partially similar to this blorb.--Sega381 05:58, 13 November 2010 (PST)
- Oh, thanks! I had no idea that was they name of U4's cluebook.--Sega381 07:53, 13 November 2010 (PST)
Avatar Portraits[edit]
Should all those portraits really be part of the main article? I find them to be a bit of a page breaker, and this is even without the dozen or so U6 portraits yet to come. Perhaps they should be given their own page... or is there some way of making them into an expandable box like we have with the NPC info boxes? --Terilem 20:26, 12 November 2010 (PST)
- I second the notion that these should either be reformatted to not break the flow of writing or should be moved to another page. --Blu3vib3 21:18, 12 November 2010 (PST)