Talk:Pagan

Just as a point of discussion - the reason the silouette is rotated in such a way, is because at that orientation, that is, bascially, the way the map would appear in game (if we assume that Tenebrae is in the south, and the Avatar makes progress from there, Carthax Lake is roughly north-east of that, while the Halls of the Mountain King are due west of the city. Besides, its looks better up that way! ;)

Hmm, this talk about the golden and beautiful past of Pagan isn't really appropiate. Sure, it was better than when the Guardian came. But there seems to have been considerable infighting amongst the Pagans - Khumash-Gor unified them briefly, but his empire didn't survive his death.

Pagan-Sosaria speculation in Notes section
I have to say, I get uncomfortable whenever I see a sentence that begins with, "It has been speculated that..." and this is no exception.

Firstly, I've pored over the maps and I see absolutely no resemblance between Pagan and the Lands of the Dark Unknown. I'm guessing the part about the Tokuno Islands is used as some kind of process of elimination, but I don't see how the lore behind a UO expansion bears any relevance to Pagan or Ultima VIII.

Secondly, Richard Garriott is on record saying that Pagan exists in completely different reality from that of Britannia, Serpent Isle and Earth. I happened to cite that particular quote just last month at Talk:Hallway_of_Worlds.

I'll admit the part about the alphabet is interesting, but is it really enough on which to base a theory of this magnitude?

This would all make a great premise for fan-fiction but is not, I feel, appropriate on the wiki. If Origin had really wanted there to be a connection they could have easily done it. That's exactly what we got with Serpent Isle, after all. --Terilem 13:51, October 10, 2010 (UTC)