Talk:Banes of Chaos

Are Fawn, Monitor and Moonshade really anti-Order?
In the trivia section the line "It is appropriate that the three cities the Banes destroy represent the anti-forces of Order: Monitor was apathetic toward the Goblin threat (the knights largely cared about their own pride), Fawn was prejudiced against the ugly and those who challenged the Temple's rule, and the mages of Moonshade were ruthless in their rivalries." either needs to be rewritten or removed. The articles on these pages don't support these anti-Order philosophies. If this line is not subjective, then it should at least be rewritten to further justify itself. AngusM 21:18, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that passage seemed dubious to me as well. There's a lot of this kind of superfluous gap-filling and speculation throughout the wiki and it really needs to be scaled back, in my opinion. --Terilem 06:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Let's stick to the facts, shall we? --Warder Dragon 08:00, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Easier said than done. I've seen initiatives to curb this behavior before, but there still seems to be a steady supply of the kind of inappropriate material that this seems to be. AngusM 21:28, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is true - I know exactly what you mean. I admit I'm not sure how to approach the... problem... though. --Warder Dragon 21:52, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I do. But unfortunately that solution would be... most ungentlemanly. I'll not do that to myself. I'm just going to proceed with the same old relatively conservative and methodical formula, in quiet dignity, and just hope that the only reason it hasn't caught on yet is because I have not persevered enough thus far. AngusM 03:27, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's been long enough that no one's had anything good to say about it, so I'll remove the line and the unsightly banner. AngusM 03:14, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bane Identities
Is that me or attributing the possessions of Banes to Angus, Gwenno and Cantra feels a tad too speculative?

I'm just to the point where you read the Journal of Batlin's accomplice. The first bane mentionned where a Ice beast was slain - make it sound more like the Bane was directly captured once set free of its cage. The skullcrusher one is more ambiguous but it's also a possibilty.

Now one point of note is the last one which is said to have eluded them in the north and went south. Now personally I've always had the feeling that Bane escaped from the prison, possessed Gwenno which was in turn killed by Hazard's men (and thus not Batlin's which were not facing the "Sorceress" as far as I recall - so they couldn't have captured the Bane upon Gwenno's death) and then went south where it eventually possessed Cantra. I feel there is some sense to it, especially since that would explain why Cantra's dialogue when possessed just go "bloog blood everywhere" like Dupre and Gwenno.

Regarding Angus - there is not even a mention of Batlin's men going to Sleeping Bull in a Journal. Not this is a possibility (altough i figure this could also be the Bane of Wantoness who would have possessed Gwenno, Angus and then Cantra) but there doesn't seem to be a source hinting Angus might have been possessed, beside the fact that he has obviously vanished.

Now a lot of this is speculative on my part I'd admit - but no more than the article itself (unless there is some usecode fragments or elements in the clue book I don't know of) --Sergorn 15:23, October 11, 2010 (UTC)