Talk:Bestiary

Should the Kilrathi race be included as other-worldly visitors?

In Ultima VII, A crashed Kilrathi ship is found in the fields east of Britian were a farmer tells the tale of his tussle (using his mighty "hoe-of-destruction") and resulting consumption of the dying alien. (a possible omage to Hiemlien's famous work?)

It is retroactively revealed that all the "tie-fighters" in the space-ace portion of Ultima I were actually piloted by none other than the Kilrathi! (The player had to kill 20 of the buggers to gain the title of Space Ace, required by the princesses for time travel info).

Carcerian 20:47, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think the Kilrathi should if and only if it is not necessary for the beast to actually make an appearance. I might be wrong, but I don't think we actually see any Kilrathi. What I remember is just being told about them.
 * Where does this retroactive information come from? AngusM 03:10, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

They also appear in Ultima Underworld II, in a de-evolved state...

Carcerian 07:56, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they are covered under "Trilkhai", so it doesn't belong here (along with other stuff I had to clean up) --Tribun 10:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, shouldnt the "Trilkhai" be listed in the bestiary then? (i agree the Kilrathi are debatable, but the "Trilkhai" can become hostile and thus a fightable enemy.

I can understand removing the early player races, perhaps there should be a seperate section for them? (Bobbit, Furry, Dwarf, Elf races were in Ulitma I, II, III). BTW, It should also be noted that in Ulitma Online Elves do exist (second age if i'm not mistaken).

A few other errors/omissions noticed (before they got removed, lol)

"Daemons appeared in every installment of the series except Ultima VII" is wrong, as there were no Daemons in Ultima III either.

Gargoyles first appear in Ultima III, not V

Ghouls first appear in Ultima III, not Pagan Only

(Original ghouls obviously had no relation to the "Pagan Ghouls", should they be listed under Zombies, who appeared in Serpent Isle, or a separate entry?)

Goblins first appeared in Ultima III, not Serpent Isle Only

Golems first appeared in Ultima III, not V

Reapers, first appeared as Tanglers in Ultima I, not IV

The Bestiary was also missing the following creatures (from Ultima I, III, and Serpent Isle)

Automatons (SI)

Demons (U3) (if devil is has a seperate entry, should not Demon, as well?)

Giants (U3)

Giant Octopi (U1) appears in the Early Apple Versions Manual

Griffins (U3)

Invisible Seekers (U1)

(if merged with invisible stalker, then the invisible stalker should not be listed as pagan only, however Stalkers were assumed to be humans using magic, while seekers are assumedly air elementals or some sort of spirit)

Manes (U3) (should be at least mentions as a subspecies)

Mind Whippers (U1)

Rangers (U1) should be listed under human opponents

Roc (U1) picture appears in the Early Apple Versions Manual

Titans (U3)

Trents (U1)

Warlocks (U1) should be mentioned under humans/wizards

Wyverns (U3)

Zombies (SI)

Note: The "Original" Ultima was the Apple version, the EGA PC Version was made much later, from the ground up, notable differences are several creature changes, omission of the Steal spell (allowing you to finish game without murder of "innocent" jesters), and a new castle type...

Sources :

Replacement Docs:

http://www.replacementdocs.com/search.php?q=ultima&r=0&s=Search&in=&ex=&ep=&be=&t=downloads&adv=0

The Ultima RPG Shrines:

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/pc/ultima1/enemies.shtml (still missing the Trents, lol)

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/pc/ultima2/enemies.shtml

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/nes/ultima3/enemies.shtml

Playing the games Ulitma I, II, III (were i noticed the the missing trents attacking me!!!)

Carcerian 20:41, October 12, 2009 (UTC)