Talk:Codex of Ultimate Wisdom

When did he become Avatar?
I had the idea that avatarhood was achieved when the last shrine gives you an eighth. This article has it that it is only achieved when the Codex is liberated. If that's true, no wonder no one else can become an Avatar. AngusM 02:12, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that if its clearly stated somewhere, but Lord British says this in U4: "The Quest of the Avatar is to know and become the embodiment of the Eight Virtues of Goodness! It is known that all who take on this Quest must prove themselves by conquering the Abyss and Viewing the Codex of Ultimate Wisdom!". This somehow implies that to prove you are an Avatar, and therefore really be an Avatar, you must get to the Codex. But then, other texts suggest that you only need to achieve perfection in each virtue. I'm not sure if there is a subtle distinction between being an eight-parts Avatar and having proven yourself as an Avatar by getting to the Codex. At least it IS stated by LB that to complete the Quest of the Avatar, you have to reach the Codex.--Sega381 02:41, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... so the way I see it, there are 2 issue:
 * becoming the Avatar
 * proving oneself to be the Avatar
 * Becoming isn't the same thing as proving. It seems to me that one becomes by going to the Shrines and proves by doing that Codex thing. I'll wait for more input before I do anything about it, though. AngusM 19:28, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is clear that by reaching the Codex, the Stranger completed the Quest of the Avatar and proved himself/herself. When exactly he became the Avatar, is a little less clear. Therefore, I think the best thing to do would be to modify the article to say what we really know, that is, that by reaching the codex he/she finished the Quest of the Avatar and proved him/herself. And do not mention anything about when he really became the Avatar, not at least until we have some evidence.--Sega381 20:17, June 3, 2010 (UTC)