User talk:Sega381

Hi, welcome to Editable Codex! Thanks for your edit to the History of Britannia page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- KyleH (Talk) 18:05, August 30, 2009

Wiki Admin
Forum:Administrator - Just wanted to bring your attention to this in case it goes scrolling off the recent changes. It'd be nice to have everyone's input. Fenyx4 14:31, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

UIV NPCs
Hey Sega, it's great that you're adding information about Ultima IV to NPCs, but make sure you also add the whole article and the appropriate links. If Tessa exists in Ultima IV, make sure to add NPCs of Ultima IV to the edit, and edit the entire article so it's consistent with the added information. (Dungy 19:00, May 16, 2010 (UTC))


 * Yes, sorry about that. I didn't notice the category, and I was kinda in a hurry, so I guessed it would be better to at least add part of the information, and to improve it later. I'll try to me more thorough.--Sega381 21:54, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

References and Timeline
I'd be happy to help you with the Timeline project. What do you mean about references not being well thought out? You mean you don't quite know what the proper format for material is? Usually I goto Wikipedia for inspiration in this regard, but I guess they usually reference publications, while ours go back to computer programs. It's probably not practical for us to follow their example precisely. A few things come to mind: After your reply, we should probably take this to forums. AngusM 19:31, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Is the reference technology a new thing? For how long have you been at it?
 * 2) How much do you know about the technology? It seems to me that there's just a computer-read label, then some text that contains the reference material (or a reference to the reference material). Does it have any other features?
 * 3) Since many other wikis on Wikia are computer games, whatever we should be doing is whatever others should be doing. Do you know of any? If no one uses reference anymore than we have, we'll never find them :(


 * About the references not thought out, I was refering mainly that I quickly decided a formatting style for the references, but I haven't spent much time thinking about or discussing if it is the proper one. I took some basic formatting from Wikipedia, and tried to merge it with what we have in our style guide regarding quotes. But the formatting I'm using should be discussed, and the definitive one should be in the style guide. For example, I'm not so sure I like putting quotes inside references with italics only, as I think they may not be very readable. But as the style guide indicated only italics for quotes, I didn't spend much time fixing that.


 * 1) About the ref tags, as far as I know they are a standard MediaWiki feature. It has always been in this wiki, but nobody had used it before. In general, I always try to add references to all the Wikis I contribute to. This wiki is the only one I contribute to that had no references at all, so I have started adding them some months ago. But I haven't added too many references yet, mainly to Ophidian related articles and the Timeline (which is where I started, as I hate exact years stated with no sources).
 * 2) About the tags themselves, in their most basic form, you just put a, so if you want to use the same reference again in the same article, you just put instead of copying the whole thing. That's basically it. It's up to the user to decide how to format the info inside the ref tag. Wikipedia has also a fancier template, "cite" or something I recall, which, as a template, is used inside a ref tag, and you add info to the defined attributes of the template, to help mantain consistency. I'm not sure if Wikia has that template, and I'm not sure if it is that useful to as, as it is better suited for publications and the like.
 * 3) Another wiki I sometimes contribute to is the Warcraft Wiki, which uses references. I'm not sure I like their style much, as they are in the process of chaning some of the book references they use, but we could borrow some ideas from that wiki.
 * And yes, we should continue this, starting but how to use and format references, in a forum.--Sega381 01:14, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved the conversation over to Forum:Reference_Formatting_and_Timeline. Hope that is allright. -- Fenyx4 20:50, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Decompressing U6 conversations
I took a crack at that U6Decode thing you made for me, and I'm not sure I understand it. Are the CONVERSE.? files supposed to be lib32 or that other one? When I used that Lib32File class, it only decompresses about 1k, when the compressed file is in the 100s of k. When I try using that LZWObject, it fails and prints "Error: the nine bits after the size header are not 0x100, for info at 0: 0, 0". AngusM 06:18, September 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, these things always come to me about 60 seconds after I give up. Nevermind, I figured it out. AngusM 06:35, September 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hehe, it usually happens that way. In any event, for the record, the CONVERSE.? are Lib32 files, which in turn have several LZWObjects inside (besides the offsets index at the start). Btw, I tried to explain all of this in this article: Ultima VI Internal Formats (not my code, but the format). In any event, I'm open to more questions if they pop-up. As I mentioned, that code isn't exactly "pretty", it's more functional than anything else.--Sega381 13:11, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Done U5:Lazarus?
Well, we've got a LOT of NPC writing to do. :P Dungy 00:11, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hehe, yep... as soon as I get my PC up and running (it's not working well right now), I'm going to use my newfound Lazarus insight in order to fill all those gaps :)--Sega381 00:45, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a friendly reminder, if you have a savegame in Minoc, could you snap a picture of Fenelon's portrait? The Hawk forgot to post that one online, so we need someone to get it. Dungy 11:02, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. I still have to reinstall it, but I have a savegame I can use.--Sega381 12:31, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Adminhood
Wanted to point you towards Forum:Admin_and_Bureaucrat_Policies. -- Fenyx4 08:32, 21 December 2010 (PST)

Spells
I thought I'd spare you some tideous work and re-categorized (with the infobox) all britannian spells that only appear in one game (with exaction of the Ultima IV spells). Hope that helps.--Tribun 16:53, 26 February 2011 (PST)


 * Sure, thanks!--Sega381 19:35, 27 February 2011 (PST)


 * All the unique Serpent Isle spells now have their own articles. You can check on them if you want.--Tribun 12:22, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * Thanks again! They look great, I'll be checking them out. Good job!--Sega381 12:41, 1 March 2011 (PST)

Can you help me by creating several infoboxes for me?

I need the following in the boxes:

Ultima VIII spells.


 * Necromancy: picture, words of power, reagents, mana cost
 * Theurgy: picture, words of power, focus, mana cost
 * Sorcery: picture, words of power, reagents, red candles, black candles, focus, mana cost
 * Thaumaturgy: words of power, reagents, mana cost

I would be thankful if you could do that for me, as I still did get it entirely.--Tribun 15:47, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * Would it be ok if I created one single U8 Spells infobox, with optional attributes depending on the magic school?--Sega381 17:45, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * As long as you put in a description how to use it properly.--Tribun 17:52, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * Ok, I created one here: Template:Infobox/Pagan_Spell. It's pretty self explanatory, and you can use whichever optional parameters apply to each spell or school. If it needs any tweaking, just tell me. We could add something like a different background color depending on the school. It should be easy; if you want something like that, some graphical effect depending on the school, tell me what and I'll try to implement it.--Sega381 18:17, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * If it is not a bother, can the top bar where the spell name is be changed from the default color, depending on what is written in the "school" entry? The color of the bar would be light brown (earth) for Necromancy, light grey (air) for Theurgy, red (fire) for Sorcery and green for Thaumaturgy. Is that somehow possible?--Tribun 18:42, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * Sure, I'll try it and tell you when it's done.--Sega381 19:37, 1 March 2011 (PST)


 * Ok, done. If you want more specific colors, get the hex value of that color and it can be easily changed in the template.--Sega381 07:47, 2 March 2011 (PST)

Looks good, I tested it. One last thing: I noticed the font size is a little bigger than in the other spell infoboxes. Can you adjust that?--Tribun 08:08, 2 March 2011 (PST)

EDIT: There also is a problem when I link the name of the school.--Tribun 08:13, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Done and fixed. Don't add the link to the school, the link will be automatically added now.--Sega381 08:32, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Very good, now I can catalogize all the spells.--Tribun 08:34, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Should I make the template automatically add the "Pagan Spells" category?--Sega381 09:00, 2 March 2011 (PST)

No, no need.--Tribun 09:01, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Done! All the spells for Ultima VIII now have articles. You can inspect them here: Pagan Spells.--Tribun 13:13, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Looks great! We're doing a lot of progress in the spells section!--Sega381 15:32, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * An idea: maybe we should categorize the spells according to their school? It would be interesting to easily see in a category all the Sorcery spells, for example.--Sega381 15:33, 2 March 2011 (PST)

Nah, I think that would be overkill. There are not enough spells for each of the schools to justify an own category. I think the way it is organized right now is okay with this low number of spells..

I am planning ahead and need two more infoboxes:


 * Ultima Underworld (both games): picture, words of power, circle, optional part for UW2-only spells (it just say UW2 only, no entry needed).
 * Ultima IX: picture, words of power, reagents, circle.

Can this be done?--Tribun 15:40, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Yes, but isn't the current Infobox for spells good enough for this? It has picture, words, reagents, circle. Reagents can be omitted if needed. At least for Ultima 9, I think it would be better to use the same infobox. For UW, I guess you don't want to repeat everything with the two subinfoboxes, as the same spells from UW1 are in UW2, and there are only some new ones, yes? I'll think on how to better do that. But I'd prefer to modify the current one to support that somehow, rather than create a new one, unless it is really needed. The less infoboxes to mantain, the better.--Sega381 17:41, 2 March 2011 (PST)


 * Ok, but please tweak the infobox that when the game is Ultima IX, the Category is "Ascension Spells", that helps to keep it apart from the Britannian spells. Also, you're right, a seperate infobox for the Underworlds is needed, hopefully can can make one (that shouldn't be too difficult).


 * As for Sosarian spells, since they don't have pictures, the content of their boxes would be something like: Class (arcane, Devine or both), Game, mana (only Ultima III), with the third being optional. What do you think?--Tribun 16:06, 3 March 2011 (PST)


 * Yes, I guess I could do an Infobox like the one you mentioned for Sosarian spells, sounds ok. But I'm not convinced yet about the "Ascension Spells", though it is easily doable. Why not "Ultima IX Spells", as a subcategory of the "Britannian Spells"? Ok, they are significantly different, and we're putting them on separate articles. But they are Britannian spells, no? I know we all dislike U9 and that its very different spellwise in the gameplay and their definition. But lore-wise, it's just a new batch of Britannian Spells, no?--Sega381 17:00, 3 March 2011 (PST)

It's not that. I just want to avaoid to big of a clutter of Categories that start with "Ultima".--Tribun 17:59, 3 March 2011 (PST)


 * Ok, but why would it be clutter? As a reader, I find it useful to go to a category that has all the spells from Ultima IX. And it's more clear to me if the category is called "Ultima IX Spells" than "Ascension Spells". It may be less elegant, but it is more functional, and consistent with the rest of the categories. It sounds odd too have "Ultima IV Spells", "Ultima V Spells", etc, and then "Ascension Spells".--Sega381 18:40, 3 March 2011 (PST)

OK, I give in.--Tribun 05:13, 4 March 2011 (PST)


 * One small problem remains. I have no source for the lorequotes for the spells, as I only have the German manual and can't find a copy-and-paste friendly textfile of the mauals.--Tribun 05:59, 4 March 2011 (PST)